The Smith sighting revisited.

[pathfinder73]

Totally agree, Anna. Pathfinder using the usual deflecting tactics when a question is posed he/she can't answer.

Now, who said Mary Smith spoke to Smithman?

What question? John has provided the article that I know about concerning Mary Smith.

[misty]

Martin Smith did!



Maddie: Irishman provides dramatic new clues Daily Mail (appeared in paper edition only)
 
EXCLUSIVE: Tourist met rude man carrying child in blanket on night Madeleine vanished
 
By SANDRA MURPHY, VANESSA ALLEN
January 3, 2008
 
AN IRISH holidaymaker has spoken publicly for the first time of his disturbing encounter with a man carrying a child wrapped in a blanket on the night Madeleine McCann disappeared.
 
Now investigators hired by Madeleine's parents hope Martin Smith and his family can provide a crucial breakthrough.
 
Speaking from his home in Drogheda, Co. Louth, Mr Smith recalled the sighting, which is strikingly similar to one by a friend of the McCanns, Jane Tanner. In hindsight, the retired Mr Smith said, the mans rude behaviour should have aroused his suspicions.
 
He explained: "The one thing we noted afterwards was that he gave us no greeting.
 
"My wife Mary remembered afterwards that she asked him, 'Oh, is she asleep?' But he never acknowledged her one way or another.
 
"He just put his head down and averted his eyes. This is very unusual in a tourist town at such a quiet time of the year."
 
Their description of the barefoot child and the man, who wore beige trousers, echoes that of Miss Tanner, who said she saw a man carrying a sleeping child away from the McCanns apartment about 9.15pm.
 
Though the Smith family believe they met an almost identical man closer to 10pm, the coincidence prompted them to contact police after they returned to Ireland. Mr Smith said: "Luz is such a small place and so quiet, we felt a duty to tell police and let them decide if it was important."
 
Last night, McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said detectives from the Spanish agency Metodo 3 now hoped to speak to the family. "Metodo 3 is being very methodical, working through a number of people they think might be able to help them, and this family will be on their list."
 
On the night of the disappearance, Mr Smith was dining with his wife in the Dolphin restaurant in Praia Da Luz, where they are frequent visitors.
 
The couple were with their daughter Aoife, their son Peter and his wife Sile,as well as four grandchildren Tadhg, Cole, Aisling and Eimear.
 
All nine met the man holding a child but their recollection differs slightly from Miss Tanner's.
 
"In the image she gave, the man was holding the child forward in his arms. The man we saw had put the child over his shoulders. But Luz was very, very quiet at that time of the year and the likelihood of two young children being carried around like this is very small.

"Also, our timings are a bit different. She saw the man at 9.15pm. We say 9.45or 9.50pm and the sighting was only a five-minute walk from where the child was staying.

"I dont know if this information will help the McCanns. We kept interested in whats going on but we tried to avoid the limelight."
 
The father of six yesterday said the Irish family would do anything they could to help the McCanns find their missing daughter.
 
"We have not been contacted by the private detective hired by the McCanns, and have had no contact with the investigating police since May 26 last year.
 
"But anything we can do to help try to solve it, we will." Recalling the event she witnessed, Mr Smith said it was some time before the family realised they could be star witnesses
 
"We were out the night it happened. My son and his family were leaving on the Friday and we were going for a family meal. We went home about 9.50pm and we heard nothing at all about Madeleine McCann until the next day.
 
"I was taking my son Peter to the airport and on my way back, I heard that a kidnapping had happened in the village of Luz.
 
"We were looking at all the commotion on Sky News and we really felt quite helpless.
 
"We had two grandchildren with us at the time, aged four and five, and it had a terrible effect on them.
 
"They all wanted to sleep in the same room as us until we went home on the Wednesday.
 
"We were home two weeks when my son rang up and asked was he dreaming or did we meet a man carrying a child the night Madeleine was taken. We all remembered that we had the same recollection. I felt we should report it to the police.
 
"I rang the Portuguese police and they took a statement from me on the phone.Then they asked me to make a statement to gardai, which I did in Drogheda two weeks after the disappearance.
 
"Two days later, Leicestershire police got on to us and said they wanted to speak to all nine of us. But we felt there was no point dragging grand children and the whole lot out to Portugal so just my eldest son, Peter, and youngest daughter, Aoife, and I flew to Luz to make a statement.
 
"The police were fairly busy and the station was pretty typical. They didnt seem to be the most efficient police you ever came across but they are probably no different to police anywhere else. We were interviewed separately and told them what we saw, and showed them on the map where we met the man and child.
 
"We spent the whole day there from 10.30am to 7pm with an interpreter. That day, May 26 last year, was the last time we had any contact with the investigation.I remember clearly because it was my wedding anniversary.
 
"I told them we went for dinner at the Dolphin Restaurant and then went on to have just one drink in Kelly's bar, just 50 yards away.
 
"We would normally have stayed out longer but my son and his family were going home the next day.
 
"As we made our way back to our apartment in Estrella da Luz, we met a guy with a child that appeared to be asleep.
 
"It looked like a blonde child, and I thought she might be four years old, as she was the same size as my grandchild who was with us.
 
"It was around 9.55pm and it was getting dark and he was looking downward so I couldnt tell you exactly what he looked like.
 
"None of us was 100 per cent sure what he was wearing but we all told police he was wearing beige trousers and a darker top. We all put him in his early 40s. I didnt think he was Portuguese." Insisting he knew chief suspect Robert Murat visually for years, Mr Smith told police the person he saw carrying a child could not be him.
 
"I told police it was definitely not him because the man wasn't as big as Murat. I think I would have definitely recognised him."

Martin Smith is also quoted in the Mail report as saying it was his son Peter who prompted his memory regarding the sighting some 2 weeks later! So, the memory really wasn't very vivid & clear at all, or even very important despite the distress of his grandchildren.
9.50pm & in his 40's - so definitely not Gerry, then.

[pathfinder73]

Martin Smith is also quoted in the Mail report as saying it was his son Peter who prompted his memory regarding the sighting some 2 weeks later! So, the memory really wasn't very vivid & clear at all, or even very important despite the distress of his grandchildren.
9.50pm & in his 40's - so definitely not Gerry, then.

Martin Smith was incorrect on 9:50. The only person correct on times that night was Aoife and she said they left Kelly's Bar at 10pm so the Smithman sighting would be 10:02/03.

[misty]

Martin Smith was incorrect on 9:50. The only person correct on times that night was Aoife and she said they left Kelly's Bar at 10pm so the Smithman sighting would be 10:02/03.

And Aoife was the only one correct because.............?

[jassi]

And Aoife was the only one correct because.............?

..............She spent the whole evening on her mobile phone, so knew exactly what time it was  ?

[pathfinder73]

And Aoife was the only one correct because.............?

Dolphin Restaurant receipt 21:27

Concerning the facts under investigation, on the 3rd of May, he went with his family to the Dolphin restaurant in Praia da Luz where they dined. Around 21H00 they left the restaurant and headed toward 'Kelly's Bar'; about a 50 metre distance from the restaurant, following the path, as it is very short. The walk took him a few minutes. In 'Kelly's Bar' they consumed some drinks. They left that establishment around 21H55 as his son would be travelling very early the next day. This bar is located on Calheta Street. (Martin Smith)

He would like to clarify that on the 3rd of May, he and his family went to the Dolphin restaurant, situated in Praia da Luz, where they dined. Around 21H00 they left the restaurant and went to Kelly's Bar, about one minute away on foot. In Kelly's Bar (he does not remember the name of the street it is on) they had a few drinks, having left from there around 21H50/22H00. (Peter Smith)

— Regarding the 3rd of May, 2007, she went, with all her family, to eat at the Dolphin restaurant, which is close to Kelly's Bar. When they left the restaurant, around 21H30, they headed toward Kelly's Bar. They stayed there for about 30 minutes.
— Around 22H00, they left Kelly's Bar. The group headed, on foot, for their apartment.
— Questioned, she responds that she knows the time that they left because her father and her brother decided to leave early that night. There were two reasons for this: one was the fact that her sister-in-law was not feeling very well and the other was because her brother, sister-in-law, nephew and son of her sister-in-law finished their holiday the next day and had to catch the morning flight returning to Ireland. (Aoife Smith)

[misty]

..............She spent the whole evening on her mobile phone, so knew exactly what time it was  ?

She said that in her statement, did she? Perhaps she was also looking at her phone when the group passed Smithman.

[pathfinder73]

She said that in her statement, did she? Perhaps she was also looking at her phone when the group passed Smithman.

I've provided the evidence that she is correct on her Dolphin restaurant time. Receipt time 9:27. Got to Kelly's Bar at 9:30 and stayed for 30 minutes. Peter and Martin said they got to Kelly's Bar at 9pm. That's completely wrong.

p.s. it was Peter not Martin who said 9:50 to 10pm. So somebody took the earliest time i.e. 9:50 which was used in the McCanns reconstruction 

having left from there around 21H50/22H00. (Peter Smith)

[Brietta]

I've provided the evidence that she is correct on her Dolphin restaurant time. Receipt time 9:27. Got to Kelly's Bar at 9:30 and stayed for 30 minutes. Peter and Martin said they got to Kelly's Bar at 9pm. That's completely wrong.

The word that immediately springs to mind is - INCONSISTENCY.

Amazing the tapas seven have been castigated for seven years for "inconsistencies".

Conversely the "inconsistencies" in the Smith statements seem to be fine.    &%+((£

[John]

I've always found that a bit odd.  A man is walking hurriedly towards you late in the evening, carrying what appears to be a sleeping child. He is completely unknown to you and does not meet your gaze but nonetheless you attempt to engage him in conversation by asking if the child is sleeping, as he hurries by?  Does anyone else not think this a bit strange?

You obviously don't understand the Irish culture.

[Alfred R Jones]

You obviously don't understand the Irish culture.

OMG, that's hilarious.   

[misty]

I've provided the evidence that she is correct on her Dolphin restaurant time. Receipt time 9:27. Got to Kelly's Bar at 9:30 and stayed for 30 minutes. Peter and Martin said they got to Kelly's Bar at 9pm. That's completely wrong.

p.s. it was Peter not Martin who said 9:50 to 10pm. So somebody took the earliest time i.e. 9:50 which was used in the McCanns reconstruction 

having left from there around 21H50/22H00. (Peter Smith)

So Martin Smith's timing was 1/2 hour out. They went to Kelly's Bar & had a few drinks - 2, 3? How many did they down in the mere 20 minutes they spent in the bar?
What a pity you're not applying the disbelievers' Tapas statement dissecting skills to the Smiths.

[Brietta]

But it definitely wasn't Mr Murat according to Martin Smith ... he was certain of that despite not knowing him personally, only by sight; no spectacles; poor lighting; one or two refreshments taken.

[Luz]

But it definitely wasn't Mr Murat according to Martin Smith ... he was certain of that despite not knowing him personally, only by sight; no spectacles; poor lighting; one or two refreshments taken.

I don't know my next door neighbor personally but I can identify him. What's so strange about that?!!!!

[pathfinder73]

So Martin Smith's timing was 1/2 hour out. They went to Kelly's Bar & had a few drinks - 2, 3? How many did they down in the mere 20 minutes they spent in the bar?
What a pity you're not applying the disbelievers' Tapas statement dissecting skills to the Smiths.

30 minutes in the bar not 20.  Dolphin receipt was 9:27. Get to Kelly's Bar around 9:30 leave at around 10pm.