Will Jeremy Bamber confess in the end?

[John]

There has been a spate of confessions in recent times by individuals who have been at the forefront of miscarriage of justice campaigns.  Two such individuals which we have been involved with here are Adrian Prout who confessed to strangling his wife Kate during an argument over a divorce settlement and more recently Simon Hall who confessed to stabbing his neighbour and pensioner Joan Albert to death in what was a failed burglary.

Has time run out for Bamber, will he be the next one to come clean?

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[ActualMat]

No, I don't think so. I believe Hall confessed because he believed he could come across as being rehabilitated and one day released back into society. Bamber doesn't have that luxury due to the whole life tariff, he will always maintain his innocence.

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm still in the ever decreasing numbers that maintain JB is a MoJ, so on this basis no he will not confess.

If I consider he might be guilty as charged then I still don't think he will confess.  He has no family that will stick by him come what may, so a confession will see most, if not all, of his friends/supporters run for the door.  He will undoubtedly be given a tough time inside by prison staff and inmates over all the lies and BS.  Working on his 'campaign' gives him something to do and keeps up the notoriety of the case.  Psychologically he has coped for near on 30 years so no evidence that he needs to unburden/offload.  If he is guilty then IMO the crime was such that life should mean life and as Actual Mat said no chance of parole so I don't see any advantages/incentives for a confession.

[Angelo222]

I'm still in the ever decreasing numbers that maintain JB is a MoJ, so on this basis no he will not confess.

If I consider he might be guilty as charged then I still don't think he will confess.  He has no family that will stick by him come what may, so a confession will see most, if not all, of his friends/supporters run for the door.  He will undoubtedly be given a tough time inside by prison staff and inmates over all the lies and BS.  Working on his 'campaign' gives him something to do and keeps up the notoriety of the case.  Psychologically he has coped for near on 30 years so no evidence that he needs to unburden/offload.  If he is guilty then IMO the crime was such that life should mean life and as Actual Mat said no chance of parole so I don't see any advantages/incentives for a confession.

Do you believe he is institutionalised Holly because that tends to occur by the tenth year.

[Mr Justice K]

I have been following events in Mr Bamber's case from the beginning and have looked at the various appeals in some detail. I do not see a time when he could confess because frankly it would make little or no difference to his situation at this stage. Mr Bamber is still perceived as a danger by those who were associated with him before the murders and their views would always be taken into consideration prior to any parole decision being made.

[Angelo222]

I have been following events in Mr Bamber's case from the beginning and have looked at the various appeals in some detail. I do not see a time when he could confess because frankly it would make little or no difference to his situation at this stage. Mr Bamber is still perceived as a danger by those who were associated with him before the murders and their views would always be taken into consideration prior to any parole decision being made.

I agree Mr K.  Too much water has flowed under the bridge in the Bamber case for any great change to be made imo.

Holly is right when she says he would face massive ridicule and risk to his own wellbeing if he were to admit to killing two children. Child killers are not too well tolerated by other cons.

[Holly Goodhead]

Do you believe he is institutionalised Holly because that tends to occur by the tenth year.

Hi Angelo222.  Yes surely he must be?  It must be his 'normal'?  IF his conviction is ever quashed I would think he will struggle to reintegrate back into society?

He told David James Smith, journalist, that he has forgotten what life was like outside.  And in an interview with Eric Allison, journalist, he said the prospect of getting out was exciting but also frightening.

[John]

I believe he has resigned himself to the fact that he might never be paroled.

[Holly Goodhead]

I believe he has resigned himself to the fact that he might never be paroled.

It would appear much is going on at the moment so much that I bought some scented notepaper and calligraphy set today to write to JB:

- Books by Carol Ann Lee and Paul Harrison deferred with no publication due date
- Trio of ladies on Blue: April, Caroline and Susan defected to the guilty camp
- JB and Simon McKay have parted company.  According to NGB it was amicable.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5856.msg260750.html?PHPSESSID=000bc0953e411d661d7083258d5b29af#msg260750

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Although I remain firm in my belief re JB's innocence (unless something has come to light that I haven't heard about) I think in the absence of any family support he is fighting an uphill battle.  Perhaps even a losing battle.  One only has to think about the mothers of Stefan Kiszko and Stephen Lawrence to see how effective these single sources are.  It is human nature that non-family will have vested interests which we witness all the time with fallings out on the forums, campaign team, JB's 'girlfriends' etc, etc. And others who have vendettas against the police, judiciary or wish to make political points.  I would think Andrew Hunter might be the most reliable figure in JB's life but sadly his health might prevent him from being as active as he otherwise might. 

[John]

Interesting developments without a doubt Holly, maybe the girls have all seen the light at last?


ETA  Not really surprising though since Tesko has never been able to bring a single piece of evidence to the table to prove his innocence.

[sika]

I've not quite been able to work out, what exactly changed their minds, regarding Bambers guilt.

I read about Caroline getting a bit suspicious about the wallet and Jeremy's reluctance to answer her questions about it, but surely there was always far more compelling evidence!

How strange that all three should suddenly change their minds.....all at the same time!!

All seems a bit odd to me.

[Myster]

I've not quite been able to work out, what exactly changed their minds, regarding Bambers guilt.

I read about Caroline getting a bit suspicious about the wallet and Jeremy's reluctance to answer her questions about it, but surely there was always far more compelling evidence!

How strange that all three should suddenly change their minds.....all at the same time!!

All seems a bit odd to me.

They've been scipioed... a new word to add to the OED. 

verb: to scipio - convince by sound logical analysis and argument... or otherwise thoroughly beat into submission!

[John]

They've been scipioed... a new word to add to the OED. 

verb: to scipio - convince by sound logical analysis and argument... or otherwise thoroughly beat into submission!

I thought scipio would burn out after a while but fair play to him he is still bombarding them with sound evidence.  I have never seen the Bamber forum in such disarray for such a long time.  Way to go skippy!   

[Holly Goodhead]

I've not quite been able to work out, what exactly changed their minds, regarding Bambers guilt.

I read about Caroline getting a bit suspicious about the wallet and Jeremy's reluctance to answer her questions about it, but surely there was always far more compelling evidence!

How strange that all three should suddenly change their minds.....all at the same time!!

All seems a bit odd to me.

Yes I agree.  I find it odd that anyone can study/research the case to the degree that they did and spend quite literally 24/7 on Blue over years believing JB innocent and then change their stance on what appears to be quite weak points eg wallet and 'The Last Trailer'.  Perhaps there's more that we don't know.  I know Andrea genuinely changed her stance but I think it was much earlier.  Generally speaking where someone holds firm beliefs about say religion, politics, MoJ they are not usually easily changed  &%+((£  I think Caroline had personal contact with JB by way of letters and this was the light bulb moment for her.  She found JB "evasive".  I think she may have posted up her correspondence with JB for posters to form their own views but as I am not a member I have been unable to view it.   Apparently JB keeps a photo-copy of all his correspondence (prison rules) and the campaign team are going to make this available on the so-called 'Official Site'.  So we will then be able to form our opinions.  From what I can gather those who have had contact with JB become even more convinced of his innocence including lawyers who are trained to pick up on inconsistencies but obviously not so with Caroline.  Perhaps Caroline is legally trained or has some other relevant training I don't know.  Anyway each to their own it makes no odds to me.  The only people capable of deciding if JB's conviction is unsafe and overturning it are appeal court judges.  We will see...

I must confess, seriously, when I saw the title of the thread 'The Last Trailer' and read the first couple of sentences for some strange reason a low budget porn movie sprang to mind as in Debbie Does Dallas 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg243191.html?PHPSESSID=02be6f646c6c406db6440beb195b6d9f#msg243191

[Holly Goodhead]

Yes I agree.  I find it odd that anyone can study/research the case to the degree that they did and spend quite literally 24/7 on Blue over years believing JB innocent and then change their stance on what appears to be quite weak points eg wallet and 'The Last Trailer'.  Perhaps there's more that we don't know.  I know Andrea genuinely changed her stance but I think it was much earlier.  Generally speaking where someone holds firm beliefs about say religion, politics, MoJ they are not usually easily changed  &%+((£  I think Caroline had personal contact with JB by way of letters and this was the light bulb moment for her.  She found JB "evasive".  I think she may have posted up her correspondence with JB for posters to form their own views but as I am not a member I have been unable to view it.   Apparently JB keeps a photo-copy of all his correspondence (prison rules) and the campaign team are going to make this available on the so-called 'Official Site'.  So we will then be able to form our opinions.  From what I can gather those who have had contact with JB become even more convinced of his innocence including lawyers who are trained to pick up on inconsistencies but obviously not so with Caroline.  Perhaps Caroline is legally trained or has some other relevant training I don't know.  Anyway each to their own it makes no odds to me.  The only people capable of deciding if JB's conviction is unsafe and overturning it are appeal court judges.  We will see...

I must confess, seriously, when I saw the title of the thread 'The Last Trailer' and read the first couple of sentences for some strange reason a low budget porn movie sprang to mind as in Debbie Does Dallas 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg243191.html?PHPSESSID=02be6f646c6c406db6440beb195b6d9f#msg243191

Bloody hell Holly your long-winded and rambling posts could almost rival Scipio's  *&*%£  Think you must be ever so sad and lonely 

Was thinking about Caroline's change in stance as per my post above (I should point out here that I couldn't give two hoots whether posters view JB as a potential MoJ or not but I am not into game playing (role playing maybe  )) and remembered that she has a degree in psychology:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3463.msg136494.html#msg136494

So too April according to Susan

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3189.msg124239.html#msg124239

Could it be that their subjects on Blue are being experimented on:

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-paradoxical-thinking-20140715-story.html

Food for thought  &%+((£