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Offline Carana

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #795 on: November 09, 2014, 01:16:45 PM »
All talk, I reckon. People say stupid things. No one is actually going to do anything.

That's what people thought about FB / tweets of the deranged prior to school shootings, for example...

People have expressed wishes that someone would take specific action. All it takes is for one nutcase to decide to be a "hero" and actually carry out what others weren't willing to do themselves.

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #796 on: November 09, 2014, 01:17:13 PM »
intresting article       in  daily mail


Mother battles to remove police caution for leaving her son, 6, home alone for 45 minutes, eight years ago

    Ministers urged to issue guidance on the age when children can be trusted
    Government says there is no law on the issue and points to NCPCC
    Lib Dem MP John Hemming says: 'The law should always be clear'
    Mother in battle to remove caution for leaving her son eight years ago

By Matt Chorley, Political Editor for MailOnline

Published: 21:56 AEST, 9 November 2014 | Updated: 23:06 AEST, 9 November 2014




A mother is fighting for the removal of a police caution she was given eight years ago after leaving her six-year-old son home alone for 45 minutes.

Removed Parents risk being branded criminals if they leave their children home alone because the law on neglect is not clear, it was warned today.

The government is being urged to issue guidance on the age at which youngsters can be trusted on their own, and for how long.
There is nothing in the law about when children can be left home alone, only a warning that they must not be put at risk


There is nothing in the law about when children can be left home alone, only a warning that they must not be put at risk

At present the law does not state an age when a parent can leave a child on their own.

It is, however, an offence for a child to be put at risk by not being supervised.

The Department for Education directs parents to the NSPCC for information.

However, Lib Dem MP John Hemming is calling for the government to be clearer about the circumstances in which parents could be cautioned or prosecuted by police.

'It is not at all clear for how long and at what age children can be left alone,' he told The Sunday Times.

'Nor is it clear whether leaving them alone is either not an issue, a child-protection issue or a criminal issue.

'I sent my daughter, then aged 10, on the train from Birmingham to stay with my mother in Devon. There were no changes and she was met at the other end. Was that acceptable?'

He went on: 'I find it odd that whereas it is lawful to send the child to the park and leave them there, it is not lawful to leave them home alone.

'My main concern in all this is clarity. The law should always be clear. We need a debate about what the rules should be.'
 
WHAT THE GOVERNMENT SAYS...

The law doesn’t say an age when you can leave a child on their own, but it’s an offence to leave a child alone if it places them at risk.

Use your judgement on how mature your child is before you decide to leave them alone.

The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) says:

    children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for a long period of time
    children under 16 shouldn’t be left alone overnight
    babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone


Parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised ‘in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health’.

It follows the case of a women called Joan who eight years ago left he son, aged six at the time, while she had a driving lesson – her last before her driving test.

'We went to the school but it was closed. There was no one home to look after him. He was in no danger when I left him,' she told the newspaper.

She returned to find the police on her doorstep after a nurse called at the house and the boy answered the door.

Joan went to her local police station and was given a caution, which has since meant she struggled to pursue her chosen career as a mental health nurse. She is now trying to have the caution removed.

She added: 'I applied to five universities to study and four did not accept me because of this caution,' she said. 'I am now trying to get this removed. My son is 14, at school and absolutely fine.'

A spokesman for the Department for Education said 'The law is clear that parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health. It is vital children be kept safe.'

A page on the gov.uk website states: 'The law doesn't say an age when you can leave a child on their own, but it's an offence to leave a child alone if it places them at risk.

'Use your judgement on how mature your child is before you decide to leave them alone.

'The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) says:

· children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for a long period of time

· children under 16 shouldn't be left alone overnight

· babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone

'Parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised 'in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health'.'



yet davel  thinks the  mcanns didnt break  the  law
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Offline Anna

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #797 on: November 09, 2014, 02:13:11 PM »
i personally  think it  was cruel of the mcanns to leave  maddie alone  every night crying   even though maddie  asked  why they   didnt  come when she  cried

That is the reason that you believe justifies 7 years of abuse ..Is it?
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #798 on: November 09, 2014, 02:30:07 PM »
[ censored word ]s will always believe they are in the right, until they are proven wrong when they just slink back into the shadows without a word of contrition, awaiting the next victim to stick their forks into.  Remember it happening to the boyfriend and father of poor Joanna Yeates....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #799 on: November 09, 2014, 02:34:53 PM »
[ censored word ] will always believe they are in the right, until they are proven wrong when they just slink back into the shadows without a word of contrition, awaiting the next victim to stick their forks into.  Remember it happening to the boyfriend and father of poor Joanna Yeates....

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Offline Anna

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #800 on: November 09, 2014, 02:44:42 PM »


Oh well!
If "I know"is the accepted Norm nowadays.......All crimes will be more easily solved in the future. Don't you think?
 No evidence required at all, just find them guilty on a "say so"
« Last Edit: November 09, 2014, 03:37:27 PM by Eleanor »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

ferryman

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Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #801 on: November 09, 2014, 02:48:08 PM »
A board which prides itself on only allowing evidence-based statements, and which takes sanctions against members who make statements which are not evidence-based, should do something about the perpetrators of certain statements on this thread ...

Offline Carana

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #802 on: November 09, 2014, 02:50:00 PM »
i personally  think it  was cruel of the mcanns to leave  maddie alone  every night crying   even though maddie  asked  why they   didnt  come when she  cried

Cite from the files, please, Carly, that Madeleine was crying every night.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #803 on: November 09, 2014, 02:58:59 PM »
Oh well!
If "I know"is the accepted Norm nowadays.......All crimes will be more easily solved in the future. Don't you think?
 No evidence required at all, just find them guilty on a "say so"

This ain't a court, case you ain't noticed.


« Last Edit: November 09, 2014, 03:38:28 PM by Eleanor »
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Offline Carana

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #804 on: November 09, 2014, 03:01:21 PM »
Oh well!
If "I know"is the accepted Norm nowadays.......All crimes will be more easily solved in the future. Don't you think?
 No evidence required at all, just find them guilty on a "say so"

Much easier. A lynch mob in Paraguay decided that some woman was a witch and burned her alive... presumably, because they "knew".

http://www.latintimes.com/adolfina-ocampos-accused-witchcraft-paraguay-burned-alive-and-shot-arrows-273973

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #805 on: November 09, 2014, 03:06:57 PM »
A board which prides itself on only allowing evidence-based statements, and which takes sanctions against members who make statements which are not evidence-based, should do something about the perpetrators of certain statements on this thread ...

You're right, I tell a lie.

My previous statement...

"Who said anything about evidence?

I'm able to know, because it's just too friggin obvious that 'abduction' ain't wot 'appened.

That's how I'm able to know."

Is in fact evidence based.

It's based on the window only being open on Kates say so, neither parent phoning the police despite knowing & the laughable improbability of the abduction theses, amongst other things.
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Offline Carana

Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #806 on: November 09, 2014, 03:21:45 PM »
You're right, I tell a lie.

My previous statement...

"Who said anything about evidence?

I'm able to know, because it's just too friggin obvious that 'abduction' ain't wot 'appened.

That's how I'm able to know."

Is in fact evidence based.

It's based on the window only being open on Kates say so, neither parent phoning the police despite knowing & the laughable improbability of the abduction theses, amongst other things.

Parents' worst fears do not always turn out to be true, thankfully.

No one has come forward to state that Kate's account of the window is false.

She collapsed in a heap after alerting others. Gerry was running around looking for her. Friends with them via OC alerted the police. At the time friends / OC / GNR thought it possible that she'd simply walked and wandered and would be found safe and sound.






Alfred R Jones

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Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #807 on: November 09, 2014, 03:38:30 PM »
and death threats

Twisting, I only said... abuse.
I didn't say you approved of death threats - learn to read.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2014, 03:41:53 PM by Eleanor »

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #808 on: November 09, 2014, 03:45:44 PM »
We've heard from a troll on this thread that the McCanns deserve to be abused.  Now, this provides an opportunity for other "sceptics" who don't believe in abuse and death threats to challenge this notion.  Come on all you kind, reasonable "sceptics", do you think the McCanns deserve the abuse they get from people like Spam or not?  Speak up, we can't hear you!
Bump.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police
« Reply #809 on: November 09, 2014, 05:07:24 PM »
So, after nearly two hours no reply to my question from the kind, reasonable, only questioning 8**8:/: "sceptics" as to whether or not the McCanns deserve to be abused by trolls, despite the fact that several were on here and reading this thread.  How very odd.