Investigation into McCann internet trolls launched by police

[sadie]

Who is bundleman? I don't recall discussing a bundleman, but may have forgotten
Anyway you have lumped these believers together, have you not?

hi anna

Tannerman used to be called Bundleman, but Tannerman is a better name , cos everyone can identify him from that.

[Alfred R Jones]

I condemn what I regard of abuse of the McCanns.


And before you go off on one you would have to give your definition of abuse before I could condemn that.

you want to condemn my definition of abuse?   &%+((£. But seriously, how about you tell me what you understand by abuse, seeing as how you've just condemned it, you must know what it is exactly that you're condemning.

[slartibartfast]

you want to condemn my definition of abuse?   &%+((£. But seriously, how about you tell me what you understand by abuse, seeing as how you've just condemned it, you must know what it is exactly that you're condemning.

You asked people to condemn abuse, so it is for you to define.

[Anna]

hi anna

Tannerman used to be called Bundleman, but Tannerman is a better name , cos everyone can identify him from that.

thank you Sadie, So it is crecheman.................Why so many names to these men. I don't believe it was crecheman/bundleman, so don't know where WS got that, but I do believe there is a possibility that JT saw someone else. Does that make sense?  I will call him Mysteryman.

[Alfred R Jones]

You asked people to condemn abuse, so it is for you to define.

I believe a definition has already been posted on this thread.

[Wonderfulspam]

I believe a definition has already been posted on this thread.

I'm regarding 'abuse' as... pretty much anything anyone has ever said or written about the McCanns that you, personally, disapprove of.

[sadie]

thank you Sadie, So it is crecheman.................Why so many names to these men. I don't believe it was crecheman/bundleman, so don't know where WS got that, but I do believe there is a possibility that JT saw someone else. Does that make sense?  I will call him Mysteryman.

Why has my post explaining things to Anna, a newish person to the case details, been taken down?
Leaving incorrect information up?  She is a member and needs to know the facts.

Reading Annas post without this post merely obfuscates and encourages the reader to falsely believe that Crechman is Tannerman.  That is not likely to be true.  Jane Tanner saw Tannerman at 9.20'ish going in a different direction to Crechman and also to a different place.  Three things different.

Jane Tanner is no fool.



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Responding to Anna.

No Anna, not Crechman

Crechman is the man that SY have been informed left the Crech on Rua Direita at about 10pm IIRC.  He was walking in the wrong place and direction  to be Tanner man and also at the wrong time.  Three things wrong. 

I wonder if SY have fallen for yet another Red Herring tbh. cos none of us heard any of this at the time nor until just very recently.  I only wonder.

Tannerman was the man that Jane Tanner saw after she passed Gerry and Jez chatting at about 9.20-9.25pm.   He walked from west to est across the top of Rua Francisco Gentil Martins

Smithman is the man that The Smith family saw walking doen Rua d'Escola from North to South.  This was about 10pm


This video shows Jane Tanners recollections.  She is a very sincere woman, also intelligent, and I personally do not doubt either her integrity or her memory

Cutting Edge Viseo Youtube,

http://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY

Starting at 9.25
Especially at 11.54, then crying at 12.27.  Finishes at 12.40


Jane Tanner is lucid and honest.   Totally distraught at the memory and the knowledge that she might have stopped Madeleine being taken, had the penny only dropped..



So either there were two men in that immediate area, Tannerman and Crechman .... or someone has pulled a fast one on SY.


I prefer to believe the former, two men.... but I am open minded[/size]

PLease leave this post up

[faithlilly]

As I've pointed out countless times, Mrs Fenn's intruder let himself in with a key.

And as I have also pointed out, why be caught climbing out of a window when you have a key to the door ?

[Wonderfulspam]

Why has my post explaining things to Anna, a newish person to the case details, been taken down?
Leaving incorrect information up?  She is a member and needs to know the facts.

Reading Annas post without this post merely obfuscates and encourages the reader to falsely believe that Crechman is Tannerman.  That is not likely to be true.  Jane Tanner saw Tannerman at 9.20'ish going in a different direction to Crechman and also to a different place.  Three things different.

Jane Tanner is no fool.



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Responding to Anna.

No Anna, not Crechman

Crechman is the man that SY have been informed left the Crech on Rua Direita at about 10pm IIRC.  He was walking in the wrong place and direction  to be Tanner man and also at the wrong time.  Three things wrong. 

I wonder if SY have fallen for yet another Red Herring tbh. cos none of us heard any of this at the time nor until just very recently.  I only wonder.

Tannerman was the man that Jane Tanner saw after she passed Gerry and Jez chatting at about 9.20-9.25pm.   He walked from west to est across the top of Rua Francisco Gentil Martins

Smithman is the man that The Smith family saw walking doen Rua d'Escola from North to South.  This was about 10pm


This video shows Jane Tanners recollections.  She is a very sincere woman, also intelligent, and I personally do not doubt either her integrity or her memory

Cutting Edge Viseo Youtube,

http://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY

Starting at 9.25
Especially at 11.54, then crying at 12.27.  Finishes at 12.40


Jane Tanner is lucid and honest.   Totally distraught at the memory and the knowledge that she might have stopped Madeleine being taken, had the penny only dropped..



So either there were two men in that immediate area, Tannerman and Crechman .... or someone has pulled a fast one on SY.


I prefer to believe the former, two men.... but I am open minded[/size]

PLease leave this post up

If Ms Tanner still believed she had seen an abductor she would have told that nice Mr Redwood...

..But, she hasn't...

[Anna]

Why has my post explaining things to Anna, a newish person to the case details, been taken down?
Leaving incorrect information up?  She is a member and needs to know the facts.

Reading Annas post without this post merely obfuscates and encourages the reader to falsely believe that Crechman is Tannerman.  That is not likely to be true.  Jane Tanner saw Tannerman at 9.20'ish going in a different direction to Crechman and also to a different place.  Three things different.

Jane Tanner is no fool.



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Responding to Anna.

No Anna, not Crechman

Crechman is the man that SY have been informed left the Crech on Rua Direita at about 10pm IIRC.  He was walking in the wrong place and direction  to be Tanner man and also at the wrong time.  Three things wrong. 

I wonder if SY have fallen for yet another Red Herring tbh. cos none of us heard any of this at the time nor until just very recently.  I only wonder.

Tannerman was the man that Jane Tanner saw after she passed Gerry and Jez chatting at about 9.20-9.25pm.   He walked from west to est across the top of Rua Francisco Gentil Martins

Smithman is the man that The Smith family saw walking doen Rua d'Escola from North to South.  This was about 10pm


This video shows Jane Tanners recollections.  She is a very sincere woman, also intelligent, and I personally do not doubt either her integrity or her memory

Cutting Edge Viseo Youtube,

http://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY

Starting at 9.25
Especially at 11.54, then crying at 12.27.  Finishes at 12.40


Jane Tanner is lucid and honest.   Totally distraught at the memory and the knowledge that she might have stopped Madeleine being taken, had the penny only dropped..



So either there were two men in that immediate area, Tannerman and Crechman .... or someone has pulled a fast one on SY.


I prefer to believe the former, two men.... but I am open minded[/size]

PLease leave this post up

thanks Sadie....I have got it!
I think we are OT, but I was questioning WS Bundleman comment.

[sadie]

And as I have also pointed out, why be caught climbing out of a window when you have a key to the door ?

cos he fled as they came in thru the door.

[misty]

And as I have also pointed out, why be caught climbing out of a window when you have a key to the door ?

We don't know whether Mrs Fenn's intruder had a key or not, merely that reports suggested he had. Unfortuntely, the PJ seemed more interested in her version of crying children during the week of the disappearance - she only became an important witness after the dogs had been into 5a.

[misty]

thanks Sadie....I have got it!
I think we are OT, but I was questioning WS Bundleman comment.

Sadie, I think you've got that wrong. Crecheman was SY's "revelation moment" - the man who was supposedly the man Jane Tanner saw at around 9.20 - which altered the timeline.

[ferryman]

And as I have also pointed out, why be caught climbing out of a window when you have a key to the door ?

There is nothing in the files about exit by window.

[Carana]

Why has my post explaining things to Anna, a newish person to the case details, been taken down?
Leaving incorrect information up?  She is a member and needs to know the facts.

Reading Annas post without this post merely obfuscates and encourages the reader to falsely believe that Crechman is Tannerman.  That is not likely to be true.  Jane Tanner saw Tannerman at 9.20'ish going in a different direction to Crechman and also to a different place.  Three things different.

Jane Tanner is no fool.



...............................................................

Responding to Anna.

No Anna, not Crechman

Crechman is the man that SY have been informed left the Crech on Rua Direita at about 10pm IIRC.  He was walking in the wrong place and direction  to be Tanner man and also at the wrong time.  Three things wrong. 

I wonder if SY have fallen for yet another Red Herring tbh. cos none of us heard any of this at the time nor until just very recently.  I only wonder.

Tannerman was the man that Jane Tanner saw after she passed Gerry and Jez chatting at about 9.20-9.25pm.   He walked from west to est across the top of Rua Francisco Gentil Martins

Smithman is the man that The Smith family saw walking doen Rua d'Escola from North to South.  This was about 10pm


This video shows Jane Tanners recollections.  She is a very sincere woman, also intelligent, and I personally do not doubt either her integrity or her memory

Cutting Edge Viseo Youtube,

http://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY

Starting at 9.25
Especially at 11.54, then crying at 12.27.  Finishes at 12.40


Jane Tanner is lucid and honest.   Totally distraught at the memory and the knowledge that she might have stopped Madeleine being taken, had the penny only dropped..



So either there were two men in that immediate area, Tannerman and Crechman .... or someone has pulled a fast one on SY.


I prefer to believe the former, two men.... but I am open minded[/size]

PLease leave this post up

I'm not sure about that Sadie.

Bundleman used to be the nickname for Tannerman, and SY reckon Tannerman is Crecheman.
It may turn out that Tannerman isn't Crecheman after all, but Redwood wanted people to concentrate on Smithman
and / or any recollection of someone carrying a child at around 10 pm.

Officers from Scotland Yard have ruled out a key sighting on the day Madeleine vanished and are trying to identify a number of mysterious men seen lurking around the apartment where it is believed she was abducted.

A man seen carrying a child by the McCanns' friend Jane Tanner is now thought to have been an innocent British holiday maker, and the investigation is now focusing on another man with dark hair who was also seen with a little girl in his arms around 45 minutes later.

(...)

Speaking after a new appeal aired on BBC Crimewatch, Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said: "Our focus in terms of understanding what happened on the night of May 3 has now given us a shift of emphasis. We are almost certain that the man seen by Jane Tanner is not Madeleine's abductor.

"It takes us through to a position at 10pm when we see another man who is walking towards the ocean, close by to the apartment, with a young child in his arms. This child is described as being about three to four years of age with blonde hair, possibly wearing pyjamas, and the man is a white man with dark hair.

"If this is you, and you are nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance, then we really need to speak to you. It's so important for us to eliminate innocent sightings. But equally if anybody is looking at those e-fits and recognises the person, for whatever reason, then please have the courage to call in and tell us."
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/243276-madeleine-mccann-suspect-was-seen-carrying-young-child-away-from-resort/