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Offline carlymichelle

Parents risk criminal record because law is unclear about when they can leave children home alone, MP warns

    Ministers urged to issue guidance on the age when children can be trusted
    Government says there is no law on the issue and points to NCPCC
    Lib Dem MP John Hemming says: 'The law should always be clear'
    Mother in battle to remove caution for leaving her son eight years ago

By Matt Chorley
Political Editor for MailOnline

Published 9 November 2014


Parents risk being branded criminals if they leave their children home alone because the law on neglect is not clear, it was warned today.

The government is being urged to issue guidance on the age at which youngsters can be trusted on their own, and for how long.



It follows a case of a mother struggling to get a job as a mental health nurse after leaving her six-year-old son for 45 minutes eight years ago.
There is nothing in the law about when children can be left home alone, only a warning that they must not be put at risk


There is nothing in the law about when children can be left home alone, only a warning that they must not be put at risk

At present the law does not state an age when a parent can leave a child on their own.

It is, however, an offence for a child to be put at risk by not being supervised.

The Department for Education directs parents to the NSPCC for information.

However, Lib Dem MP John Hemming is calling for the government to be clearer about the circumstances in which parents could be cautioned or prosecuted by police.

'It is not at all clear for how long and at what age children can be left alone,' he told The Sunday Times.

'Nor is it clear whether leaving them alone is either not an issue, a child-protection issue or a criminal issue.

'I sent my daughter, then aged 10, on the train from Birmingham to stay with my mother in Devon. There were no changes and she was met at the other end. Was that acceptable?'

He went on: 'I find it odd that whereas it is lawful to send the child to the park and leave them there, it is not lawful to leave them home alone.

'My main concern in all this is clarity. The law should always be clear. We need a debate about what the rules should be.'



MP John Hemming is calling for the government to be clearer about laws on parents leaving children at home.


WHAT THE GOVERNMENT SAYS...

The law doesn’t say an age when you can leave a child on their own, but it’s an offence to leave a child alone if it places them at risk.

Use your judgement on how mature your child is before you decide to leave them alone.

The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) says:

    Children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for a long period of time
    Children under 16 shouldn’t be left alone overnight
    Babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone

Parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised ‘in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health’.

It follows the case of a women called Joan who eight years ago left he son, aged six at the time, while she had a driving lesson – her last before her driving test.

'We went to the school but it was closed. There was no one home to look after him. He was in no danger when I left him,' she told the newspaper.

She returned to find the police on her doorstep after a nurse called at the house and the boy answered the door.

Joan went to her local police station and was given a caution, which has since meant she struggled to pursue her chosen career as a mental health nurse. She is now trying to have the caution removed.

She added: 'I applied to five universities to study and four did not accept me because of this caution,' she said. 'I am now trying to get this removed. My son is 14, at school and absolutely fine.'

A spokesman for the Department for Education said 'The law is clear that parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health. It is vital children be kept safe.'

A page on the gov.uk website states: 'The law doesn't say an age when you can leave a child on their own, but it's an offence to leave a child alone if it places them at risk.

'Use your judgement on how mature your child is before you decide to leave them alone.

'The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) says:

· children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for a long period of time

· children under 16 shouldn't be left alone overnight

· babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone

'Parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised 'in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health'.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827324/Parents-risk-criminal-record-law-unclear-leave-children-home-MP-warns.html
« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 12:24:28 PM by John »

Offline carlymichelle

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2014, 01:07:30 PM »

· babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone

'Parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised 'in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health'.'[/b]
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2014, 01:10:59 PM »

· babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone

'Parents can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised 'in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health'.'


I think most understand exactly what that means and it doesn't mean
« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 12:38:22 PM by John »

stephen25000

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Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2014, 05:19:58 PM »
I think most understand exactly what that means

In this country there have been cases, in the news recently,where parents have been prosecuted for neglect.

« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 12:38:57 PM by John »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2014, 05:44:31 PM »
In this country there have been cases, in the news recently,where parents have been prosecuted for neglect.

The article carly has quoted emphasises that child neglect is a grey area in the law. The woman who was cautioned has not been found guilty of any criminal offence re child neglect
« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 12:39:24 PM by John »

Offline Benice

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2014, 08:08:42 PM »
If the McCanns were guilty of breaking the law because of their childcare arrangements  -  then so are the hoteliers and tour operators who offer an identical Listening Service - which specifically involves  leaving sleeping children unsupervised for periods of time.

And so is every other parent who has signed up for this service when on holiday.

And so are the parents who rely on Baby Alarms as baby sitters. IMO

This constant pretence that it is ONLY the McCanns who ever adopted this type of child checking is pathetic IMO.

And anyone who thinks no other parents ever -  in the history of the Listening Service - left doors or windows unlocked - either by accident or design is being extremely unrealistic IMO.

The PT AG stated that because of the regular checks, the requirement of 'abandonment' necessary to prove neglect was not fulfilled.    Full stop.

« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 12:40:16 PM by John »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline slartibartfast

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2014, 08:14:31 PM »
If the McCanns were guilty of breaking the law because of their childcare arrangements  -  then so are the hoteliers and tour operators who offer an identical Listening Service - which specifically involves  leaving sleeping children unsupervised for periods of time.

In this country, they would have to meet the requirements of the Children's Act 1989.

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And so is every other parent who has signed up for this service when on holiday.

That is abroad.

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And so are the parents who rely on Baby Alarms as baby sitters. IMO

BS

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This constant pretence that it is ONLY the McCanns who ever adopted this type of child checking is pathetic IMO.

And anyone who thinks no other parents ever -  in the history of the Listening Service - left doors or windows unlocked - either by accident or design is being extremely unrealistic IMO.

The PT AG stated that because of the regular checks, the requirement of 'abandonment' necessary to prove neglect was not fulfilled.    Full stop.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 12:40:49 PM by John »
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2014, 08:17:01 AM »
so is it ok for 11 yr olds to walk to school on their own?
« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 05:12:01 PM by John »

Alfred R Jones

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Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2014, 08:35:28 AM »
Children should be allowed to walk to and from school alone or with friends  at 11 or even younger if parents deem it safe for them to do so, the law should not legislate against it IMO.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2014, 08:38:23 AM »
Children should be allowed to walk to and from school alone or with friends  at 11 or even younger if parents deem it safe for them to do so, the law should not legislate against it IMO.

What about at 3?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2014, 08:41:24 AM »
What about at 3?

3 yr olds don't go to school

Offline Benice

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2014, 09:12:05 AM »

..........but dave, their children's age didn't stop the mccanns leaving their children unattended in a foreign country.

Not one jot.

And neither did it stop the hundreds of  thousands of other parents who have signed up for the Baby Listening Service whilst on holiday - leaving their children/babies unattended but being regularly checked by staff while they went to dinner.     You keep forgetting that fact.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline sadie

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2014, 09:22:17 AM »
And neither did it stop the hundreds of  thousands of other parents who have signed up for the Baby Listening Service whilst on holiday - leaving their children/babies unattended but being regularly checked by staff while they went to dinner.     You keep forgetting that fact.

The personal way that the Mccanns checked every half hour, going into the apartment was infinitely better than that.   

In the case of the thousands of other parents you mention, Benice, many of them were not within sight ... nor were they within hearing distance.  Many were a long way away, even chosing no doubt to go out elsewhere.



But you, Stephen have an obssessive hatred of The Mccanns for some reason.  Why dont you set up a group aimed at stopping all the thousands of parents that are truly irresponsible?