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Offline colombosstogey

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #90 on: November 22, 2014, 03:47:22 PM »
Falls

Falls are the most common type of accident in the home, accounting for 44% of all childhood injuries. About 10 children in the UK die each year as a result of falling from balconies, windows and stairs.

For babies, the biggest danger is rolling off the edge of a table, bed or sofa. Toddlers quickly learn how to climb and explore and it's very easy for them to fall off a piece of furniture, down stairs or out of a window or balcony.


from here.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Accidents-to-children-in-the-home/Pages/How-to-prevent-accidents.aspx

The guidelines should be strict, no children under 12 should be left on their own, i think its a ludicrous ruling that people can interpret anyway they like in this country.

3 children in a flat had so many ways they could have been harmed. Just crawling or climbing out of travel cot and smash head hard on the tile floor could result in death....

No its NEVER right to leave kids, and its time the ministers made it illegal to do so.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #91 on: November 22, 2014, 04:29:43 PM »
Falls

Falls are the most common type of accident in the home, accounting for 44% of all childhood injuries. About 10 children in the UK die each year as a result of falling from balconies, windows and stairs.

For babies, the biggest danger is rolling off the edge of a table, bed or sofa. Toddlers quickly learn how to climb and explore and it's very easy for them to fall off a piece of furniture, down stairs or out of a window or balcony.


from here.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Accidents-to-children-in-the-home/Pages/How-to-prevent-accidents.aspx

The guidelines should be strict, no children under 12 should be left on their own, i think its a ludicrous ruling that people can interpret anyway they like in this country.

3 children in a flat had so many ways they could have been harmed. Just crawling or climbing out of travel cot and smash head hard on the tile floor could result in death....

No its NEVER right to leave kids, and its time the ministers made it illegal to do so.

You have made the usual mistake of quoting the figures for accidents when we are discussing fatal accidents..we all know that falls are the most common accidents but are rarely fatal...fires are a different matter

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #92 on: November 22, 2014, 04:43:28 PM »
You can't prove a negative? Has anyone got proof of that?

Gerry McCann?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #93 on: November 22, 2014, 04:54:19 PM »
Hardly the same thing.  The Ocean Club would require Certificates of Safety, and Yearly Inspections.  I know this to be true because I deal with Holiday Accommodation.

Such a pity that The Ocean Club didn't see fit to warn clients about Burglaries and Sexual Abuse by passing inhabitants.

If for example you stayed at a Campanile would you expect the receptionist to warn you about theft and sex offenders?.
As a principle is your objection to hotels and resorts in general not issuing warnings or just the Ocean Club and Portuguese hotels and resorts in particular?.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Eleanor

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #94 on: November 22, 2014, 04:59:16 PM »
If for example you stayed at a Campanile would you expect the receptionist to warn you about theft and sex offenders?.
As a principle is your objection to hotels and resorts in general not issuing warnings or just the Ocean Club and Portuguese hotels and resorts in particular?.

Don't be silly.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #95 on: November 22, 2014, 05:01:27 PM »
We remain waiting in excited anticipation for Mr Davel to provide the data which will back up his assertions.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #96 on: November 22, 2014, 05:02:34 PM »
Don't be silly.

That is no sillier that your comment O Lady High Moderator.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Brietta

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2014, 05:14:30 PM »
Falls

Falls are the most common type of accident in the home, accounting for 44% of all childhood injuries. About 10 children in the UK die each year as a result of falling from balconies, windows and stairs.

For babies, the biggest danger is rolling off the edge of a table, bed or sofa. Toddlers quickly learn how to climb and explore and it's very easy for them to fall off a piece of furniture, down stairs or out of a window or balcony.


from here.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Accidents-to-children-in-the-home/Pages/How-to-prevent-accidents.aspx

The guidelines should be strict, no children under 12 should be left on their own, i think its a ludicrous ruling that people can interpret anyway they like in this country.

3 children in a flat had so many ways they could have been harmed. Just crawling or climbing out of travel cot and smash head hard on the tile floor could result in death....

No its NEVER right to leave kids, and its time the ministers made it illegal to do so.

Accidents happen to the best loved and cared for children.
The snip posted illustrates just one instance.  The little girl may have died in the space of 20 seconds.  Think of the implications of that, and what sort of legislation would be required to address it.
For example, when putting refuse out ... or a washing ... must the children be taken as well?  If not, is the parent or responsible person to be considered negligent in law?

Loop cord deaths 'under-reported'

Muireann was hanged by the blind cord on 5 February last year
The parents of a toddler who died after being strangled by a window blind cord have said there could be many more similar deaths going unreported.
Angus and Katie McLaughlin want to hear from anyone who has suffered a similar incident involving blinds.
Their campaign comes after their two-year-old daughter Muireann was accidently hanged at their home in Menstrie, Clackmannanshire, last year.
The couple are calling for a ban on looped blind cords.
A fatal accident inquiry into the circumstances surrounding Muireann's death found there was a widespread lack of awareness about the dangers posed by the cords. In his findings following the inquiry, Sheriff David Mackie called for a ban on the style of window blind and a publicity campaign to inform consumers of the risks.
Muireann died on 5 February, 2008, after climbing onto a toy box to wave goodbye to her grandmother from an upstairs window.

Muireann's parents want a ban on blind cords to prevent other deaths

She tripped and banged her head on the ledge, causing her neck to become tangled in the cord.
Evidence from the inquiry suggested she may have died in as little as 20 seconds.
Mr McLaughlin said it was almost impossible to know exactly how many people had died as a result of being hanged by the cords because of the way such deaths were recorded.
Current figures suggest that between one and two children die a year in the UK after being caught in the cord
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12800371
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #98 on: November 22, 2014, 05:15:58 PM »
You have made the usual mistake of quoting the figures for accidents when we are discussing fatal accidents..we all know that falls are the most common accidents but are rarely fatal...fires are a different matter
The thread is about possible guidance by government on the risks of leaving children at home, which obviously includes non-fatal accidents, so the statistic that 44% of child accidents at home are falls seems to fit the thread quite nicely.

Offline pegasus

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #99 on: November 22, 2014, 05:32:09 PM »
@Brietta Thanks for posting that. IIRC (in addition to all three having external metal shutters) the dining area window and the kitchen window also had internal venetian blinds, but the lounge window did not, IIRC.

Offline pegasus

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #100 on: November 22, 2014, 05:41:19 PM »
We remain waiting in excited anticipation for Mr Davel to provide the data which will back up his assertions.
Dave1 may be correct if looking at fatalities only.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #101 on: November 22, 2014, 05:48:49 PM »
The thread is about possible guidance by government on the risks of leaving children at home, which obviously includes non-fatal accidents, so the statistic that 44% of child accidents at home are falls seems to fit the thread quite nicely.

I was posting with direct reference to maddie and the possible death in the apartment. We all know about accidents in the home...most happen when children are active...not when they are tucked up in bed...and therefore happen when parents are present in the home. It is wrong to make a direct correlation between accidents and children being left alone. I don't accept that the McCanns were negligent or placed Maddie at risk of  a serious accident...they placed her at risk of abduction.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #102 on: November 22, 2014, 06:00:37 PM »
Falls

Falls are the most common type of accident in the home, accounting for 44% of all childhood injuries. About 10 children in the UK die each year as a result of falling from balconies, windows and stairs.

For babies, the biggest danger is rolling off the edge of a table, bed or sofa. Toddlers quickly learn how to climb and explore and it's very easy for them to fall off a piece of furniture, down stairs or out of a window or balcony.


from here.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Accidents-to-children-in-the-home/Pages/How-to-prevent-accidents.aspx

The guidelines should be strict, no children under 12 should be left on their own, i think its a ludicrous ruling that people can interpret anyway they like in this country.

3 children in a flat had so many ways they could have been harmed. Just crawling or climbing out of travel cot and smash head hard on the tile floor could result in death....

No its NEVER right to leave kids, and its time the ministers made it illegal to do so.
10 children die in falls each year in the UK, which is a whole lot less than are abducted by strangers each year.  Who'd a thunk it, eh?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #103 on: November 22, 2014, 06:35:44 PM »
Falls

Falls are the most common type of accident in the home, accounting for 44% of all childhood injuries. About 10 children in the UK die each year as a result of falling from balconies, windows and stairs.

For babies, the biggest danger is rolling off the edge of a table, bed or sofa. Toddlers quickly learn how to climb and explore and it's very easy for them to fall off a piece of furniture, down stairs or out of a window or balcony.


from here.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Accidents-to-children-in-the-home/Pages/How-to-prevent-accidents.aspx

The guidelines should be strict, no children under 12 should be left on their own, i think its a ludicrous ruling that people can interpret anyway they like in this country.

3 children in a flat had so many ways they could have been harmed. Just crawling or climbing out of travel cot and smash head hard on the tile floor could result in death....

No its NEVER right to leave kids, and its time the ministers made it illegal to do so.

that is an absolutely ludicrous statement...so an eleven yr old can travel on public transport on an hours journey to school but can't be left alone for 10 mins whilst dad pops to the shops

Offline Brietta

Re: British ministers urged to issue guidance on unattended children.
« Reply #104 on: November 22, 2014, 07:02:34 PM »
I was posting with direct reference to maddie and the possible death in the apartment. We all know about accidents in the home...most happen when children are active...not when they are tucked up in bed...and therefore happen when parents are present in the home. It is wrong to make a direct correlation between accidents and children being left alone. I don't accept that the McCanns were negligent or placed Maddie at risk of  a serious accident...they placed her at risk of abduction.

It was naïve of them not to take that risk into consideration ... if they had been aware of the burglars active in the resort and the assaults on children sleeping in holiday homes a quick risk assessment, which must have been a thought for potential accidents, would have determined their subsequent actions.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....