is there a generation gap with mcann supporters?

[Eleanor]

thats what  i mean jassi social media  ( should  have) made  todays  parents more  alert nowdays of the  dangerr  of leaving  young  children alone  and the mcanns are  smart ) being  doctors)  why     did they not think their  children   were in  danger)   they would have been internet  and social media savy   no matter   where  maddie is or  what did happen there are no excuses   that the mcanns can make to justify    their  actions that holiday   and IMO  people shouldnt   justify it  either  it is   2014 not the  1950s or the  1960s and   this was in   2007

How were Social Media suppose to alert The McCanns to possible dangers in a sleepy Portuguese Fishing Village?  Dangers that rarely occur.
And incidentally were not mentioned by The Ocean Club or The PJ.

[Alice Purjorick]

Some supporters say they did and that many thousands of us did, too.............but perhaps it is motivated by the need to defend the actions of the parents by placing them in a group in order to sanitise their behaviour, rather than single them out.

Supporters seem to generalise, shift goalposts or bring in examples which never quite replicate Madeleine`s situation....(or the situation in which she found herself!)

I`ve yet to read an example of anyone leaving toddlers under 5 in an unlocked ground floor apartment ultimately open to a public street and popping back every half hour to check without actually looking to see that the child is  still in her bed......

(Anybody admit to doing that?)

I agree.

[colombosstogey]

in most forums the   real  no changing their mind    mcann  supporters  seem to be   in their  60s or 70s  the world  was a diffrent place when they were growing up/being a parent   then now it makes me wonder   my  generation ( 30s)   are alot more protective of their  children   and would never dream of leaving their children alone to  go out to dinner   yet it seems    older  generations      did  do    it and     compare that time  to   nowdays

I am 63. My mum is 91. Neither of us support the McCanns in leaving their children.

I personally dont know ANYONE who would leave or has left their children for 30 minutes on their own in an apartment whilst they went out to eat and drink....

No one, i dont quite know where people get this image from.

Was it Butlins? Where people went to a gated secure community and had door listeners who would check on the children regularly? Maybe so, but we never went to Butlins.

My child hood was with my family, we simply NEVER went anywhere without my mum and dad, thats the first thing, we were a family and did everything together.

When my children were young, I always had a baby sitter if we went out in the evening, we would never have left our children on their own not for a minute. You just didnt do it......

I just dont get where it comes from? The McCanns are middle aged and perhaps its more middle age people who do this, but certainly not in my day nor in my mothers. Our families were precious. We would never have gone on holiday with the children and left them in an apartment simple, and when i took my children on holiday we all went out in the evening together for our meal or stayed in self catering.

Thats all i have to say on the matter. I just think its abhorrent anyone could leave children in an apartment on their own whilst they went out to eat and drink...........

[carlymichelle]

I am 63. My mum is 91. Neither of us support the McCanns in leaving their children.

I personally dont know ANYONE who would leave or has left their children for 30 minutes on their own in an apartment whilst they went out to eat and drink....

No one, i dont quite know where people get this image from.

Was it Butlins? Where people went to a gated secure community and had door listeners who would check on the children regularly? Maybe so, but we never went to Butlins.

My child hood was with my family, we simply NEVER went anywhere without my mum and dad, thats the first thing, we were a family and did everything together.

When my children were young, I always had a baby sitter if we went out in the evening, we would never have left our children on their own not for a minute. You just didnt do it......

I just dont get where it comes from? The McCanns are middle aged and perhaps its more middle age people who do this, but certainly not in my day nor in my mothers. Our families were precious. We would never have gone on holiday with the children and left them in an apartment simple, and when i took my children on holiday we all went out in the evening together for our meal or stayed in self catering.

Thats all i have to say on the matter. I just think its abhorrent anyone could leave children in an apartment on their own whilst they went out to eat and drink...........

exactly so  who do mcann supporters excuse the mcanns actions and  say everybody did it/does it when clearly they dont??

[Eleanor]

exactly so  who do mcann supporters excuse the mcanns actions and  say everybody did it/does it when clearly they dont??

Clearly, some of us did, Carly.  Including your own parents.

Sadly, I thought that you had come up with a good Topic point that was worth discussing.  Clearly, I was wrong.  You have now taken your own Topic Off Topic.

Could we now get back to discussing the attitudes to child care of an older generation?

[Carew]

in most forums the   real  no changing their mind    mcann  supporters  seem to be   in their  60s or 70s  the world  was a diffrent place when they were growing up/being a parent   then now it makes me wonder   my  generation ( 30s)  are alot more protective of their  children   and would never dream of leaving their children alone to  go out to dinner   yet it seems    older  generations      did  do    it and     compare that time  to   nowdays

I understood that the op related particularly to leaving children alone to go out to dinner............not to air rifles, tadpole fishing and prams in the garden.

It was taken off topic but not by Carlymichelle.

[Eleanor]

I understood that the op related particularly to leaving children alone to go out to dinner............not to air rifles, tadpole fishing and prams in the garden.

It was taken off topic but not by Carlymichelle.

My posts were about attitudes.  Not about yet more McCann bashing.  The OP was about attitudes.  It could have been good.
Read the OP.

[jassi]

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I understood that the op related particularly to leaving children alone to go out to dinner............not to air rifles, tadpole fishing and prams in the garden.

It was taken off topic but not by Carlymichelle.

A bit of a narrow topic in that case.
It could be more interesting to widen it and to examine generational difference in attitude to childcare

[Mr Gray]

I have left children in a locked apartment 25 years ago but would not do it now. remember mark warner were still advertising their baby listening service AFTER Maddie was abducted so it proves parents were leaving children

[Eleanor]

A bit of a narrow topic in that case.
It could be more interesting to widen it and to examine generational difference in attitude to childcare

Thank you, Jassi.  That's what I thought it was about.  And could be interesting because I have thought about it.
What I did in the 1960s is not necessarily what I would do now.

They often tell me what they got up to when I gave them so much freedom.  Shock, Horror.  This could be why they were so boring with their own children.

[carlymichelle]

Thank you, Jassi.  That's what I thought it was about.  And could be interesting because I have thought about it.
What I did in the 1960s is not necessarily what I would do now.

They often tell me what they got up to when I gave them so much freedom.  Shock, Horror.  This could be why they were so boring with their own children.

 social media the internet  and   24/7  television has   changed the world  even when   i  was a  child there wasnt  24 hour news or  24 hour tv like  now

[jassi]

I have left children in a locked apartment 25 years ago but would not do it now. remember mark warner were still advertising their baby listening service AFTER Maddie was abducted so it proves parents were leaving children

I know we have no way of knowing, but I wonder just how many people at MW left their children alone and unattended in the evening while they went out. Obviously the McCann group did, but did any other family do the same that week
Not many, I would imagine.

[Benice]

I have left children in a locked apartment 25 years ago but would not do it now. remember mark warner were still advertising their baby listening service AFTER Maddie was abducted so it proves parents were leaving children

Nowadays parents also use 'state of the art' baby alarms on holiday when they go out.     Not a good idea IMO - as surely the very fact that you have a baby alarm on your table is also advertising the fact that your child is sleeping alone elsewhere in the hotel.

[Eleanor]

social media the internet  and   24/7  television has   changed the world  even when   i  was a  child there wasnt  24 hour news or  24 hour tv like  now

So this has changed perceptions somewhat.  Although not necessarily for the better.  But I doubt that anyone posting here would now do what we did then.
It is another time.  That was the point of The OP, as I saw it.  Tadpoles and all.  Who never had fun collecting tadpoles and watching them leaping about all over the bathroom floor?
And No, I never flushed them down the lavatory.  I made the little horrors take them back.  More danger, no doubt.

[jassi]

I'm sure they could design them so that they look like a mobile phone.