is there a generation gap with mcann supporters?

[Mr Gray]

aged 3 a   toddlers brain is  just developing   why cant people  grasp  that??   a  human has no real memories until the age  of 4  or  5 so  IF maddie is alive she woould  have no  memory of  the  mcanns or the twins  yet mcann   supporters have this fairytale image of maddie coming back  alive and well   without a  care in the  world  you  have to  live  in the  real world

no one believes that

[Alfred R Jones]

Investigate crime when they had to give people the benefit of the doubt and not be judgemental.

Hang on a minute, I think you are doing that conflating thing.  I was talking about people as in the general public, not the police whose profession it is to investigate crime.  As far as I know it's not part of their investigative remit to "only ask questions" on social media and spreading gossip and lies about people they suspect of crimes. 

[Carew]

It's probably fair to say that the McCanns, themselves, would not repeat what they did that night.

But that isn't to say that what they did was wrong.

There are some things you just can't predict.

Abduction is one ...

You don`t need to admit wrong doing in order to make recommendations and advise.

The McCanns were able to "predict" their child might wake distressed by the fact that that she had done so the night before.

.........Indeed it had been discussed, with the idea mooted that the door be left unlocked in order for Madeleine to get out and find them, rather than find herself locked in.

Perhaps it`s a generational thing..........

Thousands of us with these self-sufficient, independent, unmollycoddled,  weeping toddlers like Madeleine, expected to yell across to the restaurant from the balcony or negotiate the environment at night-time to find their parents......

 

[Eleanor]

there is hope  and there is realistic  be honest do you  think  7    almost  8   years later maddie is alive and unharmed like the mcanns say she is? in your  heart of hearts being totally honest


see the  thing is older generations  were taught to supress their emotions/opinions  our generations  were not  and  older people  dont  understand

In my heart of hearts, I most sincerely hope so.  What do you most sincerely hope for?

Oh, and you are right.  I don't understand.

[carlymichelle]

You don`t need to admit wrong doing in order to make recommendations and advise.

The McCanns were able to "predict" their child might wake distressed by the fact that that she had done so the night before.

.........Indeed it had been discussed, with the idea mooted that the door be left unlocked in order for Madeleine to get out and find them, rather than find herself locked in.

Perhaps it`s a generational thing..........

Thousands of us with these self-sufficient, independent, unmollycoddled,  weeping toddlers like Madeleine, expected to yell across to the restaurant from the balcony or negotiate the environment at night-time to find their parents......

well   remember it  was   their holiday  too  the   situation maddie  found her self in  that was her problem   ......

[carlymichelle]

In my heart of hearts, I most sincerely hope so.  What do you most sincerely hope for?

Oh, and you are right.  I don't understand.

i hope if she is deceased      i hope they  find  her body  one  day  and that it   was  quick she  she didnt feel any  pain  i  also hope that  IF she is alive  which  i do not believe   because  cavider    dogs       know  what they are  doing         i also hope  IF the one chance the dogs were wrong and she is  alive  she has not  suffered for all  these  years hence  me    hoping that whatever did happen  that it   was  quick  and that one day they find the   real perpetrators    if that maybe the  mcanns or whoever else......

[Eleanor]

i hope if she is deceased      i hope they  find  her body  one  day  and that it   was  quick she  she didnt feel any  pain  i  also hope that  IF she is alive  which  i do not believe   because  cavider    dogs       know  what they are  doing         i also hope  IF the one chance the dogs were wrong and she is  alive  she has not  suffered for all  these  years hence  me    hoping that whatever did happen  that it   was  quick  and that one day they find the   real perpetrators    if that maybe the  mcanns or whoever else......

It is so much more simple just to hope, I find.  My generation tend to do this

But thanks for the reply.

[Mr Moderator]

in most forums the   real  no changing their mind    mcann  supporters  seem to be   in their  60s or 70s  the world  was a diffrent place when they were growing up/being a parent   then now it makes me wonder   my  generation ( 30s)   are alot more protective of their  children   and would never dream of leaving their children alone to  go out to dinner   yet it seems    older  generations      did  do    it and     compare that time  to   nowdays

An interesting and thought provoking thread before it got a little sidetracked, well worth a second look.

The modern day phenomena of paedophilia isn't as it would appear.  It has always been there in one guise or another, a funny uncle as one female poster referred to it.  The truth however is a little more sinister, a victim would not think it in the least funny.

Could it be that in bygone days a blind eye was turned to this sort of anti social behaviour choosing instead to shrug it off as some sort of oddity or eccentricity? 

Question is, has it got worse or do we simply perceive it to be so?

[lordpookles]

An interesting and thought provoking thread before it got a little sidetracked, well worth a second look.

The modern day phenomena of paedophilia isn't as it would appear.  It has always been there in one guise or another, a funny uncle as one female poster referred to it.  The truth however is a little more sinister, a victim would not think it in the least funny.

Could it be that in bygone days a blind eye was turned to this sort of anti social behaviour choosing instead to shrug it off as some sort of oddity or eccentricity? 

Question is, has it got worse or do we simply perceive it to be so?

Very hard to measure I guess. I'd assume the Internet may have made the problems worse by giving oxygen to some peoples dark desires by being able to find that kind of material on the t'internet.

That's the only real reason I can think of. Much of it is likely perception as you say these type of crimes are more likely to be reported nowadays. At least I would hope so. People seem much less tolerant of this kind of thing now due to media exposure and other factors.

[Alice Purjorick]

An interesting and thought provoking thread before it got a little sidetracked, well worth a second look.

The modern day phenomena of paedophilia isn't as it would appear.  It has always been there in one guise or another, a funny uncle as one female poster referred to it.  The truth however is a little more sinister, a victim would not think it in the least funny.

Could it be that in bygone days a blind eye was turned to this sort of anti social behaviour choosing instead to shrug it off as some sort of oddity or eccentricity? 

Question is, has it got worse or do we simply perceive it to be so?

Do you mean inter familial stuff or by "total strangers"? We have to be careful of definition of "stranger" here. In many parts of the world "stranger" means anyone who is not a parent of the victim hence I use "total stranger" to mean someone who is not related to the victim.
My opinion is that by "total strangers" there has been no perceptible increase but have no substantive evidence to back up that opinion other than in the USA it is well recorded there has been no significant increase in abduction of children by "total strangers". What is of concern is there seem to be emerging possible cases of institutionalised abuse of children dating back at least 50 years.

[Dog The Bounty Hunter]

Gosh!    A lot of funny stuff goes on in families which never sees the light of day and that has been happening since the dawn of modern man.   My own view is that our modern sensitivities to all things abhorrent has been fine tuned because of media exposure.  Paedo bashing has become a modern pastime for all those who consider their own moral compass to be beyond reproach.

[Brietta]

Gosh!    A lot of funny stuff goes on in families which never sees the light of day and that has been happening since the dawn of modern man.   My own view is that our modern sensitivities to all things abhorrent has been fine tuned because of media exposure.  Paedo bashing has become a modern pastime for all those who consider their own moral compass to be beyond reproach.

Paedophilia has always existed at all levels in society.  In many cases it was too abhorrent a practice to be contemplated and tended to be brushed under the carpet ... authoritative figures who were offenders were believed when their victims were not.

There is no excuse for people who abuse children, nor should there be any let up in making them pay for their crimes with the full force of the law.

[Dog The Bounty Hunter]

Paedophilia has always existed at all levels in society.  In many cases it was too abhorrent a practice to be contemplated and tended to be brushed under the carpet ... authoritative figures who were offenders were believed when their victims were not.

There is no excuse for people who abuse children, nor should there be any let up in making them pay for their crimes with the full force of the law.

Out of interest, how does an octogenarian with Alzheimer's pay for his crimes of three or more decades ago?

[Alice Purjorick]

Gosh!    A lot of funny stuff goes on in families which never sees the light of day and that has been happening since the dawn of modern man.   My own view is that our modern sensitivities to all things abhorrent has been fine tuned because of media exposure.  Paedo bashing has become a modern pastime for all those who consider their own moral compass to be beyond reproach.

Too true! but the distorted perception of what is a paedophile results in the "paedo" being bashed being some geezer who is described as "a loner" wearing a raincoat that will stand up on its own in a corner. Lets hope events of this week will dispel that notion.
The RCMP published a very good paper on the subject.

[lordpookles]

Paedophilia has always existed at all levels in society.  In many cases it was too abhorrent a practice to be contemplated and tended to be brushed under the carpet ... authoritative figures who were offenders were believed when their victims were not.

There is no excuse for people who abuse children, nor should there be any let up in making them pay for their crimes with the full force of the law.

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