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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2014, 10:51:59 PM »
As long as there remains some doubt over the actual circumstances of Madeleine's disappearance my own view is that it is inappropriate to involve the McCanns in these projects. That said however, I can see why they are being used since 'used' is the operative word.

well said

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2014, 10:56:14 PM »
As long as there remains some doubt over the actual circumstances of Madeleine's disappearance my own view is that it is inappropriate to involve the McCanns in these projects. That said however, I can see why they are being used since 'used' is the operative word.
Do you think it appropriate that Gerry is employed as a cardiologist, when there is still "some doubt" as to the circumstances of Madeleine's disappearance?  Is it appropriate that the twins are allowed to live with their parents when there is still "some doubt" about what happened to their sister?  Are the McCanns still suspects in their daughter's disappearance in your view?

Offline slartibartfast

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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2014, 11:06:25 PM »
Do you think it appropriate that Gerry is employed as a cardiologist, when there is still "some doubt" as to the circumstances of Madeleine's disappearance?  Is it appropriate that the twins are allowed to live with their parents when there is still "some doubt" about what happened to their sister?  Are the McCanns still suspects in their daughter's disappearance in your view?

A complete non sequitur...
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Offline John

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2014, 11:09:12 PM »
Do you think it appropriate that Gerry is employed as a cardiologist, when there is still "some doubt" as to the circumstances of Madeleine's disappearance?  Is it appropriate that the twins are allowed to live with their parents when there is still "some doubt" about what happened to their sister?  Are the McCanns still suspects in their daughter's disappearance in your view?

I fear you have missed the point Alfred. 

I am not saying they are suspects although thousands of people in the UK and many more in Portugal apparently have a different opinion on that question. What I am saying or at least attempting to portray is that until such time as Madeleine's fate is known I am uncomfortable with them being used in any Ambassadorial role.

Organisers of these initiatives should not be using anyone who is part of an ongoing police investigation.

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2014, 11:17:38 PM »
I fear you have missed the point Alfred. 

I am not saying they are suspects although thousands of people in the UK and many more in Portugal apparently have a different opinion on that question. What I am saying or at least attempting to portray is that until such time as Madeleine's fate is known I am uncomfortable with them being used in any Ambassadorial role.

Organisers of these initiatives should not be using anyone who is part of an ongoing police investigation.

A fair enough point with which it is difficult to argue in a logical manner.
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Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2014, 11:20:45 PM »
I fear you have missed the point Alfred. 

I am not saying they are suspects although thousands of people in the UK and many more in Portugal apparently have a different opinion on that question. What I am saying or at least attempting to portray is that until such time as Madeleine's fate is known I am uncomfortable with them being used in any Ambassadorial role.

Organisers of these initiatives should not be using anyone who is part of an ongoing police investigation.
Heaven forfend that Missing People makes decisions that makes you uncomfortable John!  Kate McCann is the most famous mother of a missing child in the world, she is therefore the ideal candidate for the role of Ambassador.  Why would this make you uncomfortable unless you believed that she were still under suspicion?  Why do you think a charity such as Missing People would put so much faith in Kate McCann if they felt she was unsuitable for the role and likely to tarnish their organisation?  Any parent of any child that is missing is likely to be part of an ongoing police investigation, unless you're somehow suggesting that Kate is part of the police investigation as a suspect....? 

You've spent too long in the company of "sceptics", I fear...

Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2014, 11:29:22 PM »
A complete non sequitur...
Not really.  John is arguing that whilst there is the taint of suspicion attached to the McCanns (in certain quarters) that this casts their suitability for certain roles into question.  Well, if Kate is not an appropriate ambassador for Missing Children (and who would be more suitable in your view?) then what about the even more serious and risky business of being a cardiologist / parent?  After all these are people you believe neglected their kids so badly that one of them died and they had to dump her body in a bin!  And yet Kate being Ambassador for Missing Children seems to upset some of you more than the fact that Gerry deals with the members of the public as a health care professional, and both still have their young kids living with them.  Where is your daily outrage about these particular roles that they fulfil?  Perhaps you have missed a bit of a trick there, eh?

Offline John

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2014, 12:17:05 AM »
Heaven forfend that Missing People makes decisions that makes you uncomfortable John!  Kate McCann is the most famous mother of a missing child in the world, she is therefore the ideal candidate for the role of Ambassador.  Why would this make you uncomfortable unless you believed that she were still under suspicion?  Why do you think a charity such as Missing People would put so much faith in Kate McCann if they felt she was unsuitable for the role and likely to tarnish their organisation?  Any parent of any child that is missing is likely to be part of an ongoing police investigation, unless you're somehow suggesting that Kate is part of the police investigation as a suspect....? 

You've spent too long in the company of "sceptics", I fear...

Until the case is eventually determined there will be many individuals who are still under suspicion.  That said, engendering suspicion is not the same as being designated a suspect.

I don't know which world you refer to Alfred but I fear your claim is somewhat exaggerated.  As for the charity, they took a risk by ratifying the appointment and would have been better choosing someone who was not burdened by their own failings.

Is it appropriate that parents who have previously been designated official suspects in their own child's disappearance and who have thereafter been the subject of a Social Services intervention into their parenting skills should hold such a position?



« Last Edit: November 25, 2014, 12:29:59 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2014, 07:27:12 AM »
The very fact that kate has been chosen for these roles shows that in the real world the McCcanns are seen as innocent victims of a crime...that's what really upsets some on these forums whose own opinions are based on sheer ignorance..imo

stephen25000

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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2014, 08:00:48 AM »
what are you on about...I don't care what you think of me..totally unimportant...

the fact is that by being given this role it shows how much respect Kate has in the real world

Respect in the real world ?

Really ?

By a few uniformed people and those that back back her maybe.

However, for anyone with an iota of intelligence, her appointments are APPALLING.

Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2014, 08:13:58 AM »
Until the case is eventually determined there will be many individuals who are still under suspicion.  That said, engendering suspicion is not the same as being designated a suspect.

I don't know which world you refer to Alfred but I fear your claim is somewhat exaggerated.  As for the charity, they took a risk by ratifying the appointment and would have been better choosing someone who was not burdened by their own failings.

Is it appropriate that parents who have previously been designated official suspects in their own child's disappearance and who have thereafter been the subject of a Social Services intervention into their parenting skills should hold such a position?
You fear my claim that Kate is the most famous mother of a missing child in the world is somewhat exaggerated??  OK, then - name a more famous one.

It is wholly appropriate to appoint someone to the role of Ambassador for missing children who knows as much as Kate does about the subject and who has first hand experience of having a missing child and all it entails.  She is not a suspect and is not a criminal and just because lots of small-minded, spiteful and vindictive people hate her guts doesn't mean she isn't right for the role.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2014, 08:17:22 AM by Alfred R Jones »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2014, 08:22:31 AM »
The fact that kate is involved in these schemes prove that in the real world the McCanns are under no suspicion whatsoever

Offline Benice

Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2014, 08:31:23 AM »
The very fact that kate has been chosen for these roles shows that in the real world the McCcanns are seen as innocent victims of a crime...that's what really upsets some on these forums whose own opinions are based on sheer ignorance imo.

IIRC April Jones' mum is also promoting the Missing People charity - alongside Kate.   Why no criticism of her involvement - even though exactly the same can be said about Coral Jones as Kate McCann because  if it wasn't for her decision to let 5 yr old April play out unsupervised that evening -  what  happened to their little girl would not have happened.

Quote from Coral Jones
As April’s mother I will live with the guilt of letting her go out to play on the estate that night for the rest of my life."." 
End quote

I don't see anyone  hounding April's parents on a daily basis for unwittingly making a decision which resulted in the disappearance of their daughter.

The McCanns have acknowledged that they also unwittingly made a decision which  resulted in the disappearance of their child, and have also said they will carry the guilt for that for the rest of their lives.  And yet for 7 years they have been held totally responsible for Madeleine's disappearance by some - purely because it was their decision to leave her unsupervised.

Bizarre logic IMO.   

The only difference between these two mothers IMO is that in one case the real criminal has been found and in the other case - has yet to be.

IMO both Kate and Coral are perfect for the job of promoting Missing People.   I admire them both.

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stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2014, 08:36:04 AM »
IIRC April Jones' mum is also promoting the Missing People charity - alongside Kate.   Why no criticism of her involvement - even though exactly the same can be said about Coral Jones as Kate McCann because  if it wasn't for her decision to let 5 yr old April play out unsupervised that evening -  what  happened to their little girl would not have happened.

Quote from Coral Jones
As April’s mother I will live with the guilt of letting her go out to play on the estate that night for the rest of my life."." 
End quote

I don't see anyone  hounding April's parents on a daily basis for unwittingly making a decision which resulted in the disappearance of their daughter.

The McCanns have acknowledged that they also unwittingly made a decision which  resulted in the disappearance of their child, and have also said they will carry the guilt for that for the rest of their lives.  And yet for 7 years they have been held totally responsible for Madeleine's disappearance by some - purely because it was their decision to leave her unsupervised.

Bizarre logic IMO.   

The only difference between these two mothers IMO is that in one case the real criminal has been found and in the other case - has yet to be.

IMO both Kate and Coral are perfect for the job of promoting Missing People.   I admire them both.

Excuses, excuses.

Was April Jones mother out boozing ?

ferryman

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Re: Madeleine McCann's mother teams up with posties...
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2014, 08:49:00 AM »
Had she exercised just a tad of that charitable spirit towards her daughter seven years ago she wouldn't be in this situation now.

Indeed not.

She and Gerry would now be languishing in a Portuguese jail serving time for the crimes of others against their daughter and ALL hope of finding Madeleine would be gone because she would be universally regarded as "dead".

Thank goodness Kate and Gerry had sufficient resolve and resilience to withstand the emotional assault and persuade the Prosecutors and the PJ of their (undoubted) innocence.

The tragedy for Madeleine is that the time and effort invested in the process (of establishing the McCanns' innocence) was time wasted in tracking down the true perpetrators of crimes against Madeleine