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stephen25000

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Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2015, 09:19:39 AM »
Do you think UK police should not be investigating?

Random digging over 7 years later, what did they expect to find ?

........and using dogs. Whatever next ?

Offline Benice

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2015, 09:54:40 AM »
Plus the British police decided to dig holes around town just as the tourist season was starting. This obviously has an effect.

Do you think the locals would have objected if it had been one of their own children who was missing?

IMO the a.n.t.i Brit. graffitti daubed round PdL would be enough to make some people feel PdL was no longer a welcoming place for British families. and so cross it off their list.

A case of  'shooting themselves in the foot' big time when it comes to attracting UK tourists IMO.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline colombosstogey

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2015, 10:04:50 AM »
Shame everytime you google Praia Da Luz you just get loads of stuff about the McCanns case.....nothing about what a lovely place it was... 7 years ago.

I remember watching one of those T.V. programmes like Place in the sun or similar and they had PDL on at the time, and I thought what a lovely place to retire too, they showed a nice villa looking across the sea, the town and the restaurants, and I remember thinking to myself yes i could live there...it looked quiet and clean....

Little did they know how these lovely town would be ruined....

Its tainted all the time. Just when you think its all calming down they bring Scotland Yard in to dig it all up again.

How can people in PDL ever get shot of this case....I am sure ABSOLUTELY sure if anyone of them had known or suspected who had done this crime they would have dobbed them in some how.......but NOTHING, no one has come forward pointing fingers, and that is what I find so odd.

You would want it over and done with, so you could then have some peace living in the sun...not the constant reminder of what happened 7 years ago......

I feel so sorry for the people living there.......OF COURSE this case must have had an impact on their economy.

Its time this case was put to bed, nothing is ever going to come of it, its all too late now....Maybe one day when no one is looking something might be revealed...but i am not holding my breath.

I think she is Gone, baby gone.....sadly.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2015, 10:05:40 AM »
Thanks gals.  I have been trying to schedule something for a while but the time just wasnt right last year.  There are so many things that I want to photograph and video too.  I also want to find out what the locals really think about what has been going on these last seven years.  I'm fed up reading the sanctimonious crap we are served up by the msm every other week, it's time we knew the truth.

The locals are on the whole unwilling to talk about the disappearance, and who can blame them. I did however have a conversation with the manager of Chaplins and let's just say the McCanns had few supporters within the little village even at that time ( June 2009 ).
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Carana

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2015, 11:05:38 AM »
Look to the Exchange Rate.  This has seriously affected all holiday destinations throughout Europe.

Of course it did, plus the more general economic downturn.

Madeleine's disappearance no doubt did have an effect in the beginning with some tourists cancelling, whether that was really due to fear or the hassle of being surrounded by the media presence. At the same time, the media presence would have compensated for loss of income from any tourist cancellations, plus the consequent "Maddie tourists". 

The Algarve as a whole seems to be doing quite well at the moment:

Algarve tourism enjoys best year in recent times
in Algarve · 31-12-2014 13:08:00 · 0 Comments

During the first ten months of 2014 the number of people spending a night in the Algarve exceeded overall figures from the whole of 2013, making 2014 one of the best years in recent times.

This is according to figures from the ten months ending October 2014, recently released by the National Statistics Institute (INE).
“It is confirmation of the best predictions for the destination. In 2014 we have achieved the best numbers in recent years and the Algarve continues to be the driving force of tourism in Portugal”, said Desidério Silva, president of the RTA regional Algarve tourism board, commenting on the news.
(...)
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/algarve-tourism-enjoys-best-year-in-recent-times/33538









Offline Carana

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2015, 11:11:08 AM »
Plus the British police decided to dig holes around town just as the tourist season was starting. This obviously has an effect.

True, but there were also substantial construction works going on in the village in 2007. Some of the locals appear to have feared that the roads were going to be dug up all over again, which didn't actually happen as far as I'm aware. 

Offline Brietta

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2015, 11:14:15 AM »
Shame everytime you google Praia Da Luz you just get loads of stuff about the McCanns case.....nothing about what a lovely place it was... 7 years ago.

I remember watching one of those T.V. programmes like Place in the sun or similar and they had PDL on at the time, and I thought what a lovely place to retire too, they showed a nice villa looking across the sea, the town and the restaurants, and I remember thinking to myself yes i could live there...it looked quiet and clean....

Little did they know how these lovely town would be ruined....

Its tainted all the time. Just when you think its all calming down they bring Scotland Yard in to dig it all up again.

How can people in PDL ever get shot of this case....I am sure ABSOLUTELY sure if anyone of them had known or suspected who had done this crime they would have dobbed them in some how.......but NOTHING, no one has come forward pointing fingers, and that is what I find so odd.

You would want it over and done with, so you could then have some peace living in the sun...not the constant reminder of what happened 7 years ago......

I feel so sorry for the people living there.......OF COURSE this case must have had an impact on their economy.

Its time this case was put to bed, nothing is ever going to come of it, its all too late now....Maybe one day when no one is looking something might be revealed...but i am not holding my breath.

I think she is Gone, baby gone.....sadly.

As has already been pointed out ... the world wide recession resulting in the continuing effect on the euro zone and the exchange rate have done little to assist the tourist economies of many countries ... not only Portugal ... and perhaps the resort of Praia Da Luz has not remained in splendid isolation from that.

The sentiment you express "It's time this case was put to bed" is one no doubt shared by the perpetrator/s of the crime against Madeleine ... and is indeed part of the problem ... the case was "put to bed" by the Portuguese authorities in 2008, perhaps in the hope it would meekly "go away".

Her parents simply refused to allow that and their campaign to find out what happened to their daughter has been the excuse for campaigns of demonisation and vilification against them ever since under the risible guise of pseudo "justice for Madeleine"  sentiment.

Just as you opine "Little did they know how these lovely town would be ruined....Its tainted all the time"
I could add the rejoinder
  ... little did innocent holidaymakers know the dark underbelly of drugs, drug related crime, burglaries, assaults on children and the British gift of numerous itinerant paedophiles who seemed to be attracted to this apparently sleepy little town which was and is marketed as the perfect holiday venue for families with their children.

The people of PDL can "get shot of this case" when a satisfactory investigation is carried out into what happened to Madeleine McCann and the conclusion whatever that may be is duly ascertained.

I find the extraordinary ease with which Madeleine McCann has been written off by some people reprehensible and as long as there are viable avenues for investigation ... which have been deliberately ignored in the past ... she has the right, as a victim of crime and as a British citizen to have her case investigated until all those avenues have been exhausted.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2015, 11:17:37 AM »
Can I remind members that the McCanns could have kept the case open in 2008 but chose not to.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2015, 11:34:11 AM »
Do you think the locals would have objected if it had been one of their own children who was missing?

IMO the a.n.t.i Brit. graffitti daubed round PdL would be enough to make some people feel PdL was no longer a welcoming place for British families. and so cross it off their list.

A case of  'shooting themselves in the foot' big time when it comes to attracting UK tourists IMO.

Absolutely.

I do not think the campaigning residents of Praia Da Luz ... of whom many of the most vociferous are ex pats ... have done the village any good at all. 

Brushing a problem under the carpet doesn't make it go away and does no good at all ... attempting to resolve it with a good grace always reflects well.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline John

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2015, 11:37:50 AM »
Can I remind members that the McCanns could have kept the case open in 2008 but chose not to.

When Kate refused to answer the simplest questions in 2007 and went home afterwards that effectively signed the death knell for the case and who would blame the Portuguese.  If the parents of a disappeared, possibly abducted child, couldn't be bothered to hang around...

I came across this comment from the Mirror article.  David Hopkins, the managing director, said at the time: “Our security is terribly robust.”

What security???  Should have been 'terribly rubbish'!

* A absence of appropriate outside lighting (later improved)
* No CCTV
* No security guards

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-holiday-firm-pulls-4915169
« Last Edit: January 06, 2015, 02:01:19 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline jassi

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2015, 12:11:02 PM »
Perhaps he thought security outside the holiday complex perimeter was not the company's responsibility
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

stephen25000

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Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2015, 12:19:07 PM »
When Kate refused to answer the simplest questions in 2007 and went home afterwards that effectively signed the death knell for the case and who would blame the Portuguese.  If the parents of a disappeared, possibly abducted child, couldn't be bothered to hang around...

I came across this comment from the Mirror article.  David Hopkins, the managing director, said at the time: “Our security is terribly robust.”

What security???  Should have been 'terribly rubbish'!

* A absence of appropriate outside lighting (later improved)
* No CCTV
* No security guards

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-holiday-firm-pulls-4915169

However, it was very safe to leave children by themselves in an unlocked apartment.

Nice.

Offline Benice

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2015, 12:27:56 PM »
snipped.......

I came across this comment from the Mirror article.  David Hopkins, the managing director, said at the time: “Our security is terribly robust.”

What security???  Should have been 'terribly rubbish'!

* A absence of appropriate outside lighting (later improved)
* No CCTV
* No security guards

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-holiday-firm-pulls-4915169

If you add to that the decision of Tour operators to keep schtum about the attacks on UK children - as well as the burglaries - then I think their failure to provide increased security in view of that decision was an absolute disgrace. 

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2015, 12:35:33 PM »
As has already been pointed out ... the world wide recession resulting in the continuing effect on the euro zone and the exchange rate have done little to assist the tourist economies of many countries ... not only Portugal ... and perhaps the resort of Praia Da Luz has not remained in splendid isolation from that.

The sentiment you express "It's time this case was put to bed" is one no doubt shared by the perpetrator/s of the crime against Madeleine ... and is indeed part of the problem ... the case was "put to bed" by the Portuguese authorities in 2008, perhaps in the hope it would meekly "go away".

Her parents simply refused to allow that and their campaign to find out what happened to their daughter has been the excuse for campaigns of demonisation and vilification against them ever since under the risible guise of pseudo "justice for Madeleine"  sentiment.

Just as you opine "Little did they know how these lovely town would be ruined....Its tainted all the time"
I could add the rejoinder

  ... little did innocent holidaymakers know the dark underbelly of drugs, drug related crime, burglaries, assaults on children and the British gift of numerous itinerant paedophiles who seemed to be attracted to this apparently sleepy little town which was and is marketed as the perfect holiday venue for families with their children.

The people of PDL can "get shot of this case" when a satisfactory investigation is carried out into what happened to Madeleine McCann and the conclusion whatever that may be is duly ascertained.

I find the extraordinary ease with which Madeleine McCann has been written off by some people reprehensible and as long as there are viable avenues for investigation ... which have been deliberately ignored in the past ... she has the right, as a victim of crime and as a British citizen to have her case investigated until all those avenues have been exhausted.

Great post Brietta.  Says it all.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Carana

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2015, 01:02:38 PM »
Can I remind members that the McCanns could have kept the case open in 2008 but chose not to.

If any of the arguidos could have provided evidence within x days that specific diligences had not been carried out which could have overturned the judicial ruling.