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Lyall

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Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2015, 01:33:37 PM »
I could add the rejoinder
  ... little did innocent holidaymakers know the dark underbelly of drugs, drug related crime, burglaries, assaults on children and the British gift of numerous itinerant paedophiles who seemed to be attracted to this apparently sleepy little town which was and is marketed as the perfect holiday venue for families with their children.

Rhetoric like this is the very opposite of that needed to help. You and the newspapers are actually allied in working against Operation Grange's stated objective.

British police can't do a thing in Portugal on their own as you know. The xenophobia is hardly going to help them is it.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2015, 01:37:39 PM by Lyall »

stephen25000

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Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2015, 01:39:04 PM »
Rhetoric like this is the very opposite of that needed to help. You and the newspapers are actually allied in working against Operation Grange's stated objective.

Quite right Lyall.

However, it's what has come to be expected from certain mccann supporters, and is no more than deflection in their tactics to involve a paedophile in this case, to blame for Madeleine's disappearance, when no such evidence has been shown to exist.

Lyall

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Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2015, 01:42:28 PM »
Quite right Lyall.

However, it's what has come to be expected from certain mccann supporters, and is no more than deflection in their tactics to involve a paedophile in this case, to blame for Madeleine's disappearance, when no such evidence has been shown to exist.

You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment 8)-)))

stephen25000

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Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2015, 01:45:21 PM »
You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment 8)-)))

Indeed. 8((()*/

Offline colombosstogey

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2015, 01:51:31 PM »
As has already been pointed out ... the world wide recession resulting in the continuing effect on the euro zone and the exchange rate have done little to assist the tourist economies of many countries ... not only Portugal ... and perhaps the resort of Praia Da Luz has not remained in splendid isolation from that.

The sentiment you express "It's time this case was put to bed" is one no doubt shared by the perpetrator/s of the crime against Madeleine ... and is indeed part of the problem ... the case was "put to bed" by the Portuguese authorities in 2008, perhaps in the hope it would meekly "go away".

Her parents simply refused to allow that and their campaign to find out what happened to their daughter has been the excuse for campaigns of demonisation and vilification against them ever since under the risible guise of pseudo "justice for Madeleine"  sentiment.

Just as you opine "Little did they know how these lovely town would be ruined....Its tainted all the time"
I could add the rejoinder
  ... little did innocent holidaymakers know the dark underbelly of drugs, drug related crime, burglaries, assaults on children and the British gift of numerous itinerant paedophiles who seemed to be attracted to this apparently sleepy little town which was and is marketed as the perfect holiday venue for families with their children.

The people of PDL can "get shot of this case" when a satisfactory investigation is carried out into what happened to Madeleine McCann and the conclusion whatever that may be is duly ascertained.

I find the extraordinary ease with which Madeleine McCann has been written off by some people reprehensible and as long as there are viable avenues for investigation ... which have been deliberately ignored in the past ... she has the right, as a victim of crime and as a British citizen to have her case investigated until all those avenues have been exhausted.

LOL your aving a larf arnt you?

How many detectives have been used even via the McCanns....sometimes you have to CLOSE a case thats why they call them COLD CASES dont yer know.........

There is simply nothing to find......if there was it would be found by now.....

Give me a break there are loads of cases NEVER SOLVED, look at Susy Lamplugh, and the chef who went missing, there are lots and lots..what makes this one child so special above all others...like Ben Needham for example.

The case needs to be closed now well it was wasnt it.....its done its course, and hopefully one day when no one is actually looking something will turn up, but for now after years of trying NOTHING has.

Some people live in cloud cuckoo land if they think this ongoing case hasnt had an impact on this little town.....

stephen25000

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Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2015, 01:57:05 PM »
LOL your aving a larf arnt you?

How many detectives have been used even via the McCanns....sometimes you have to CLOSE a case thats why they call them COLD CASES dont yer know.........

There is simply nothing to find......if there was it would be found by now.....

Give me a break there are loads of cases NEVER SOLVED, look at Susy Lamplugh, and the chef who went missing, there are lots and lots..what makes this one child so special above all others...like Ben Needham for example.

The case needs to be closed now well it was wasnt it.....its done its course, and hopefully one day when no one is actually looking something will turn up, but for now after years of trying NOTHING has.

Some people live in cloud cuckoo land if they think this ongoing case hasnt had an impact on this little town.....

Cloud cuckoo land, or hellbent on defending the mccanns, no matter what. &%+((£

Offline Brietta

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2015, 02:02:16 PM »
Rhetoric like this is the very opposite of that needed to help. You and the newspapers are actually allied in working against Operation Grange's stated objective.

British police can't do a thing in Portugal on their own as you know. The xenophobia is hardly going to help them is it.

Excuse me ... what is xenophobic about the truth? 

Are you saying these things did not happen? 

It seems to me sentiments like yours have been nourished over the past seven years, specifically to hinder any proper investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance. 

Perhaps the miasma hanging over Praia Da Luz from that attitude is one of the shadows hanging over it and affecting their tourist business.

All tourists everywhere are cash cows ... maybe the Brits who are allegedly in avoidance of the venue ... simply do not appreciate having it spelt out to them so succinctly.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline John

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2015, 02:04:47 PM »
If you add to that the decision of Tour operators to keep schtum about the attacks on UK children - as well as the burglaries - then I think their failure to provide increased security in view of that decision was an absolute disgrace.

Absolutely, both the owners (Ocean Club) and agents (Mark Warner) were very aware of a problem but choose to ignore it for commercial reasons.  Even the nannies were concerned about strangers wandering around the gardens during daylight hours but nothing was done about it.

I fear the 'cloud hanging over Luz' as the article put it will forever taint the resort until Madeleine is found and that knowledge, terrible though it is, is what has enraged the locals.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2015, 02:48:17 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Lyall

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Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2015, 02:08:59 PM »
Excuse me ... what is xenophobic about the truth? 

Are you saying these things did not happen? 

It seems to me sentiments like yours have been nourished over the past seven years, specifically to hinder any proper investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance. 

Perhaps the miasma hanging over Praia Da Luz from that attitude is one of the shadows hanging over it and affecting their tourist business.

All tourists everywhere are cash cows ... maybe the Brits who are allegedly in avoidance of the venue ... simply do not appreciate having it spelt out to them so succinctly.

It is Exaggeration with a massively huge capital E.

But you're not alone; Summers and Swan also indulged in it to sell their book.

And newspapers have of course indulged in it to sell papers.

It's very unlikely to be helping relations between the police.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2015, 02:12:03 PM by Lyall »

Offline Brietta

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2015, 02:15:11 PM »
LOL your aving a larf arnt you?

How many detectives have been used even via the McCanns....sometimes you have to CLOSE a case thats why they call them COLD CASES dont yer know.........

There is simply nothing to find......if there was it would be found by now.....

Give me a break there are loads of cases NEVER SOLVED, look at Susy Lamplugh, and the chef who went missing, there are lots and lots..what makes this one child so special above all others...like Ben Needham for example.

The case needs to be closed now well it was wasnt it.....its done its course, and hopefully one day when no one is actually looking something will turn up, but for now after years of trying NOTHING has.

Some people live in cloud cuckoo land if they think this ongoing case hasnt had an impact on this little town.....

No ... I am not "aving a larf " ... I find nothing even slightly amusing about a missing child.

Of course Madeleine McCann's case has had an impact on the little town of Praia Da Luz ... the sheer nastiness of some of the residents, mainly ex pat, which has been unashamedly portrayed ... as they actively sought out media coverage to display ... has perhaps had an even more lasting impact.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2015, 02:16:41 PM »
Absolutely, both the owners (Ocean Club) and agents (Mark Warner) were very aware of a problem but choose to ignore it for commercial reasons.  Even the nannies were concerned about strangers wandering around the gardens during daylight hours but nothing was done about it.

I fear the 'cloud hanging over Luz' as the article put it will forever taint the resort until Madeleine is found and that knowledge, terrible though it is, is what has enraged the locals.

Hardly.

The cloud hanging over PDL is due to the events of  May 2007.

No direct connection has been made with the burglaries and Madeleine's disappearance.

Any attempt to link them ias pure supposition.

As to Mark Warner's , they offered facilities to the mccanns for childcare.

They didn't take them up.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2015, 02:20:38 PM »
It is Exaggeration with a massively huge capital E.

But you're not alone; Summers and Swan also indulged in it to sell their book.

And newspapers have of course indulged in it to sell papers.

It's very unlikely to be helping relations between the police.
You have the exact same mindset as those in PdL and Portugal generally who would like to brush all these inconvenient truths under the carpet and just pretend none of it ever happened.  Shame on you all. 

It's deeply ironic that many people who think like you also consider themselves champions of historic child abuse victims and who actively campaign to get hundreds of these allegations brought out into the open to be investigated in this country.  Nothing like double standards, eh?

Offline Lace

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2015, 02:24:35 PM »
They failed to mention that Portugal was going through a recession.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2015, 02:27:03 PM »
They failed to mention that Portugal was going through a recession.

All of Europe's holiday destinations are having a lean time, due to The Exchange Rate.

Offline Brietta

Re: Holiday firm leaves resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2015, 02:27:15 PM »
It is Exaggeration with a massively huge capital E.

But you're not alone; Summers and Swan also indulged in it to sell their book.

And newspapers have of course indulged in it to sell papers.

It's very unlikely to be helping relations between the police.


Your analysis is flawed ... just as the way of coping with the disappearance of a child in a supposedly 'family friendly' holiday resort was.

This disaster was absolutely nothing to do with Madeleine McCann.  She is the victim.

Had those reliant on the tourist industry dealt with the issue in a more positive manner the alleged impact on business might have been less severe.

For example ... in the months after Madeleine's disappearance ... it was a mistake to vandalise and rip down posters featuring her image and requesting information.

It was also a mistake for a vocal few to shout abuse at the McCanns in the streets of Praia Da Luz.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....