Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body

[faithlilly]

Faithlilly wonders ... "Are you accusing Martin Grime of planting evidence because if not I fail to see how the article above is relevant ?"

I think the article which I have quoted is entirely relevant to a thread entitled "Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body".

The 'clever Hans' reference is in response to Alfred's post ..."I've got another good example of a conviction without a body.  The case of Thomas Quick, the Swedish serial killer who never was.  Zampo the cadaver dog alerted no less than 45 times in places that Quick claimed to have brought his victims' bodies.  The only slight problem was...he never actually committed any of the murders.  Ooops. "

The reference to the corrupt dog handler includes the information that at least one homicide conviction was obtained as a result.

If anyone chooses to link Martin Grime with the two examples mentioned above, they really ought to consider that there is a wider world out there which does not revolve around the happenings in Praia Da Luz in 2007.

Martin Grime cannot be linked to the two examples mentioned above. Glad we got that one cleared up Brietta.
 

[Brietta]

Martin Grime cannot be linked to the two examples mentioned above. Glad we got that one cleared up Brietta.

Yes ... so simples, actually ... there really wasn't any genuine requirement "to get that one cleared up" ... one wonders why the pretence of being incapable of working it out for yourself.   %£&)**#

[faithlilly]

Yes ... so simples, actually ... there really wasn't any genuine requirement "to get that one cleared up" ... one wonders why the pretence of being incapable of working it out for yourself.   %£&)**#

My you are a slippery on Brietta 

[pathfinder73]

Faithlilly wonders ... "Are you accusing Martin Grime of planting evidence because if not I fail to see how the article above is relevant ?"

I think the article which I have quoted is entirely relevant to a thread entitled "Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body".

The 'clever Hans' reference is in response to Alfred's post ..."I've got another good example of a conviction without a body.  The case of Thomas Quick, the Swedish serial killer who never was.  Zampo the cadaver dog alerted no less than 45 times in places that Quick claimed to have brought his victims' bodies.  The only slight problem was...he never actually committed any of the murders.  Ooops. "

The reference to the corrupt dog handler includes the information that at least one homicide conviction was obtained as a result.

If anyone chooses to link Martin Grime with the two examples mentioned above, they really ought to consider that there is a wider world out there which does not revolve around the happenings in Praia Da Luz in 2007.

And you would honestly believe a word this screwball says  *&*%£

Thomas Quick is shouting Ffin pigs when attacking them. Kate was thinking Ffin tossers.

[Lace]

Eddie yapped at something in a bin in one of the other apartments,  don't know what happened to that piece of video I think there was a bone in the bin or something.

OOPS,  sorry forgot to enclose the quote I was answering to.

[sadie]

My you are a slippery on Brietta 

Nothing slippery about Brietta. 
Your hero Quentin Crisp doesn't fit the bill, I'm afraid.   He was charming and witty, but slippery as an eel.


Brietta uses facts and logic


You should try it sometime, Faith




PS I like your new avatar

[misty]

Does anyone know who paid for Eddie & Keela to go to Portugal, & to whom payment was made? I have just read on another site that Grime was officially retired 5 days before he went to PdL.

[Anna]

There has been a lot of debate on this subject. Whether he was retired from the police force and employed by the police, to use his dogs in Playa da luz, or whether he was still being paid as a police office/dog handler is still unclear, but it makes little difference really, does it?

[faithlilly]

There has been a lot of debate on this subject. Whether he was retired from the police force and employed by the police, to use his dogs in Playa da luz, or whether he was still being paid as a police office/dog handler is still unclear, but it makes little difference really, does it?

You would think not wouldnt you. Anna.

[misty]

There has been a lot of debate on this subject. Whether he was retired from the police force and employed by the police, to use his dogs in Playa da luz, or whether he was still being paid as a police office/dog handler is still unclear, but it makes little difference really, does it?

I disagree. It makes a lot of difference if someone can benefit financially because of a delay in employing them. Has it ever been established who footed the bill?

[faithlilly]

I disagree. It makes a lot of difference if someone can benefit financially because of a delay in employing them. Has it ever been established who footed the bill?

Not sure I get your point misty. Grime was brought in by Mark Harrison. He had no choice in when that happened.

[Anna]

I disagree. It makes a lot of difference if someone can benefit financially because of a delay in employing them. Has it ever been established who footed the bill?

I don't believe it has, Misty.

[misty]

Not sure I get your point misty. Grime was brought in by Mark Harrison. He had no choice in when that happened.

Harrison was a serving police officer. He was also aware that Eddie & Keela were not trained using orthodox UK procedures. My point is - why would someone have authorised the use of a handler & dogs which were no longer on the books of S. Yorks police when there were equally capable dogs within the force?

[Anna]

Harrison was a serving police officer. He was also aware that Eddie & Keela were not trained using orthodox UK procedures. My point is - why would someone have authorised the use of a handler & dogs which were no longer on the books of S. Yorks police when there were equally capable dogs within the force?

Try this thread, Misty,

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3604.msg137130#msg137130

I am a retired police offer, previously at the service of the South Yorkshire police. Between August 1-8, 2007, and while working for the South Yorkshire police, I collaborated with the Judicial Police, Portugal, as regards their Operations Task Force.
On the 17th of August 2007, I completed a report for the Head of Investigations of the Judicial Police, which was submitted by the Leicestershire Police. This report is exhibited as MG/1 and identified by the label bearing my signature. The Judicial Police is in possession of the originals of the search reports and the videos showing all searches performed and the reaction of the dogs. In addition to the report, Sam Harkeness of the Progresso Nacional Police Agency sent me by email several written questions sent by the Judicial Police together with a request for a written deposition. This deposition was submitted without me having seen or having knowledge of the final report from the forensic agency responsible for analyzing the evidence submitted in this case.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post425.html#p425

[Brietta]

There has been a lot of debate on this subject. Whether he was retired from the police force and employed by the police, to use his dogs in Playa da luz, or whether he was still being paid as a police office/dog handler is still unclear, but it makes little difference really, does it?

Martin Grime was not a serving police officer when working in Praia Da Luz and although retaining his expert accreditation it is interesting to note that his dog did not.

That he was retired, explains why he was not in uniform when working, unlike the officers who took part in the most recent dog searches in PDL.  He was there in a private capacity although someone must have contracted him for the job, whether that was Leicestershire police or the Portuguese authorities ... who knows ... but someone lifted the bill and as a private contractor he would be paid for his work.

I think concerns could legitimately be raised at the elapse of time between Madeleine's disappearance and the deployment of a VRD.

One wonders about the difference in cost, if any, of using a contractor and his dog and using a police dog team.


**snip
Martin GRIME was an ACPO accredited dog handler whilst he was a
serving police officer, but forfeited accreditation upon his retirement in
July 2007. We mentioned that Mr GRIME remains on the ACPO
accredited list of experts though his EVRD is no longer accredited by
ACPO. http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20WiltshireOperationHavenRedacted%2020081112%20JN.pdf