Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body

[Eleanor]

Indeed Anna. What is important is that OG know the value of the dog alerts.

Which is Nil.

[Anna]

These dogs do a wonderful job in seeking out cadavers and the scent of cadavers, but  unfortunately they are not infallible, which OC will no doubt have taken into account.

[stephen25000]

Which is Nil.

There is nothing else in this case.

[Brietta]

There is nothing to "discredit".  Grime deployed the dogs, there were a number of alerts.  Material was gathered and and forensically tested.  The forensic material offered nothing of evidential value.  And there this particular avenue of enquiry rests.

Apart from a small group of people with very limited knowledge of legal process and evidence, who insist that the dog alets actually mean something.  Without material evidence they do not.

Absolutely JP ... and entirely as pointed out by no less a person than Martin Grime himself.

That the function and value of the dog work carried out in PDL has been misunderstood in its entirety to become a shibboleth is another unfortunate aspect of Madeleine's case.

[Anna]

Sorry, Eleanor. We have all been slipping Off topic. Now hopefully we will all return to the topic of the thread.

[Jean-Pierre]

You would think that wouldn't you JP ? So why the necessity to bring up MG's professional status at this point at all ?

I am sure Grime would operate to highly professional standards whatever his position.  However, it seems he did use the videos in pitching for the Jersey job.  This opens his professional staus in Portugal as a legitimate area of interest - was he self employed or still with SYP? 

Personally, I think he was unwise to use the videos in the way he apparently did, as this exposes him to critisism.  He is operating in an area where professional standards and trust are paramount, and like Caesar's wife, he must be beyond suspicion.  But maybe that is just me.

[Eleanor]

There is nothing else in this case.

Precisely.  Which is why there will be No Conviction.

[jassi]

Precisely.  Which is why there will be No Conviction.

Of anybody ?   How depressing.

[Eleanor]

Of anybody ?   How depressing.

No Conviction of The McCanns.  Sorry, I should have been more precise.  Although I can't see the dogs contributing to the conviction of the abductor.  Can you?

[Mr Gray]

I think you're being naive Anna  if you think the rubbishing of Grime's reputation is not what's happening here. As to the dog alerts, if they are unimportant why are supporters still after eight years desperately trying to discredit them ?

no one is trying to discredit the...they are what they are. I reply to posts re the dogs because I object to misinformation....the alerts are subjective...evidence is objective...it's a simple as that

[faithlilly]

These dogs do a wonderful job in seeking out cadavers and the scent of cadavers, but  unfortunately they are not infallible, which OC will no doubt have taken into account.

Sometimes the McCanns do have my sincerest sympathy. To be residents of  the only apartment that the cadaver dog alerted to in Luz that week when they had no idea what had happened to her must be beyond parody for them. Much like Adrian Prout must have felt when the cadaver  dog alerted to.......oh hold on a minute that might not be such a great example..........hmmmm strike that.........it must be like Eugene Zapata felt when the cadaver dog alerted......nope strike that too......then it definitely must be how Stuart Hazell felt when the dogs alerted to....... Nope I give up. I'm afraid we'll just have to hope that OG have sought advice from the dog experts at the world renowned DeniabilityRUs who, I'm reliably informed, have shown many a perceived expert the error of their ways.

[faithlilly]

I am sure Grime would operate to highly professional standards whatever his position.

Agreed 

[Eleanor]

Sometimes the McCanns do have my sincerest sympathy. To be residents of  the only apartment that the cadaver dog alerted to in Luz that week when they had no idea what had happened to her must be beyond parody for them. Much like Adrian Prout must have felt when the cadaver  dog alerted to.......oh hold on a minute that might not be such a great example..........hmmmm strike that.........it must be like Eugene Zapata felt when the cadaver dog alerted......nope strike that too......then it definitely must be how Stuart Hazell felt when the dogs alerted to....... Nope I give up. I'm afraid we'll just have to hope that OG have sought advice from the dog experts at the world renowned DeniabilityRUs who, I'm reliably informed, have shown many a perceived expert the error of their ways.

Hopefully Martin Grime cleaned up his grandstanding act after the debacles in Portugal and Jersey.

[Jean-Pierre]

Sometimes the McCanns do have my sincerest sympathy. To be residents of  the only apartment that the cadaver dog alerted to in Luz that week when they had no idea what had happened to her must be beyond parody for them. Much like Adrian Prout must have felt when the cadaver  dog alerted to.......oh hold on a minute that might not be such a great example..........hmmmm strike that.........it must be like Eugene Zapata felt when the cadaver dog alerted......nope strike that too......then it definitely must be how Stuart Hazell felt when the dogs alerted to....... Nope I give up. I'm afraid we'll just have to hope that OG have sought advice from the dog experts at the world renowned DeniabilityRUs who, I'm reliably informed, have shown many a perceived expert the error of their ways.

Adrian Prout is a particularly good example, Faith.  The dog alerts were in the wrong place. 

By the way, just a quick point - your avatar is spelt wrong - it should read Je suis un Charlie 

[stephen25000]

Precisely.  Which is why there will be No Conviction.

Of anybody for anything.

Ad infinitum.