Cadaver Dog Alert Convictions without a body

[Alfred R Jones]

Of course not but the article you link to below only says this :

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'It is thought he has admitted he strangled Kate in a shooting lodge at the farm on Bonfire Night 2007 after she demanded an £800,000 clean-break divorce he could not afford without selling the estate.'

I'm afraid I was looking for evidence that he had confessed to strangling her in the hunting lodge but so far all I've found is supposition such as the claim above.

Well hopefully Anna has now allayed your concerns.

[faithlilly]

Last one..on the inquest of prout

http://www.gloucestercitizen.co.uk/Kate-Prout-inquest-finally-hears-husband/story-16000525-detail/story.html

Thank you Anna that's what I was looking for.

[Anna]

Thank you Anna that's what I was looking for.

You are welcome, faith.

[pathfinder73]

Thank you for your input.  Interesting that you always challenge my point of view, and rarely if ever agree with it.  But I'm glad you agree with Spam that it was do-able.  Now you can turn your towering intellect to explaining what the dog alerted to in the living room.

We don't know the full facts. I think a domestic argument would start inside the house rather than her chasing after him to the lodge where he then killed her. The dog would have alerted at that spot in the lodge if she died there. We need to know if Eddie only searched the house or where else he searched.

[Alfred R Jones]

We don't know the full facts. I think a domestic argument would start inside the house rather than her chasing after him to the lodge where he then killed her. The dog would have alerted at that spot in the lodge if she died there. We need to know if Eddie only searched the house or where else he searched.

We know that he killed her in the lodge.  Would there be any reason why he would confess to killing her but then lie about where the killng took place?  He then put her in his car.  Can you think of any reason why he would have moved her to the house first? 

[Alfred R Jones]

The Prout property was subject to an extensive search, including the use of a cadaver dog.  It alerted only in the living room, not to the lodge where she was murdered, not to the Land Rover in which her body must have lain for at least an hour after death (if the reports are true and Prout spent the evening at the pub).  Nor did it alert to the spot where she lay buried.  This was not the dog handler's finest hour.

[faithlilly]

The Prout property was subject to an extensive search, including the use of a cadaver dog.  It alerted only in the living room, not to the lodge where she was murdered, not to the Land Rover in which her body must have lain for at least an hour after death (if the reports are true and Prout spent the evening at the pub).  Nor did it alert to the spot where she lay buried.  This was not the dog handler's finest hour.

If the body was moved fro the lodge to the livingroom very quickly, perhaps there wasn't anything with which to wrap the body in at the lodge or it was too public a place with farm staff killing about, then there wouldn't be enough time for cadaver scent to develop. As to the Land Rover, do we know if  Eddie was ever taken to examine it and do we know if the burial site was within the distance within which Eddie can smell cadaver scent ?

[Alice Purjorick]

Thank you for your input.  Interesting that you always challenge my point of view, and rarely if ever agree with it.  But I'm glad you agree with Spam that it was do-able.  Now you can turn your towering intellect to explaining what the dog alerted to in the living room.

My towering intellect as you so sarcastically put it does not "do" dogs and sniffing. That is just too nebulous for my practical mind.
I was just chucking numbers about. Do you disagree with the numbers? If so on what basis and what are your numbers?

[Wonderfulspam]

If the body was moved fro the lodge to the livingroom very quickly, perhaps there wasn't anything with which to wrap the body in at the lodge or it was too public a place with farm staff killing about, then there wouldn't be enough time for cadaver scent to develop. As to the Land Rover, do we know if  Eddie was ever taken to examine it and do we know if the burial site was within the distance within which Eddie can smell cadaver scent ?

According to the rags, Adrian throttled her in the hunting lodge, had a whiskey, then set about getting rid.

Is it reasonable to assume that, had a cadaver dog been present in the lodge at the time of her murder,  it would begin alerting the moment he loosened his grip?

[Alfred R Jones]

My towering intellect as you so sarcastically put it does not "do" dogs and sniffing. That is just too nebulous for my practical mind.
I was just chucking numbers about. Do you disagree with the numbers? If so on what basis and what are your numbers?

I disagree that a man can murder his wife, have a whiskey, wrap her up, put her in his car, drive to the pub, have at least one more drink intent on appearing normal to the locals, drive back to his farm, decide on a suitable spot to bury her, fetch the digger, dig a hole deep enough that it takes 4 days of police searches (including dogs) to finally locate the body, and to do this all in under an hour, yes.  Call me ker-azy, I simply don't have your brilliant grasp of the numbers!

[Alfred R Jones]

If the body was moved fro the lodge to the livingroom very quickly, perhaps there wasn't anything with which to wrap the body in at the lodge or it was too public a place with farm staff killing about, then there wouldn't be enough time for cadaver scent to develop. As to the Land Rover, do we know if  Eddie was ever taken to examine it and do we know if the burial site was within the distance within which Eddie can smell cadaver scent ?

If there were staff "killing" (sic) about then moving an uncovered dead body from hunting lodge to house would be really risky wouldn't it?  Oh, but then I forget - you're a fan of the theory that a father could parade the corpse of his dead child through the streets of a holiday town, so I suppose in your world anything's possible as long as it preserves the integrity of the super dogs. 

As to the Land Rover, if the dog was not sent in to check it then you'd have to wonder what sort of extensive searches of the entire farm with dogs these actually were.  Not very thorough, if you're excusing the dog on the basis it never went near the murderer's car or the spot on his farm where he disposed of the body!

[Wonderfulspam]

If there were staff "killing" (sic) about then moving an uncovered dead body from hunting lodge to house would be really risky wouldn't it?  Oh, but then I forget - you're a fan of the theory that a father could parade the corpse of his dead child through the streets of a holiday town, so I suppose in your world anything's possible as long as it preserves the integrity of the super dogs. 

As to the Land Rover, if the dog was not sent in to check it then you'd have to wonder what sort of extensive searches of the entire farm with dogs these actually were.  Not very thorough, if you're excusing the dog on the basis it never went near the murderer's car or the spot on his farm where he disposed of the body!

Do we have the exact details of the dog search locations?

No, we don't.

And do we have the precise wording of Mr Prouts confession?

No, we don't got that neither, so, it's all speculation innit.

[Eleanor]

Do we have the exact details of the dog search locations?

No, we don't.

And do we have the precise wording of Mr Prouts confession?

No, we don't got that neither, so, it's all speculation innit.

Quite right, Spammy.  I have to agree with you again.

[faithlilly]

Quite right, Spammy.  I have to agree with you again.

That makes three of us Eleanor.

However nothing I have read so far has made it impossible that the dog's alert in the living room was indeed correct.

[Alfred R Jones]

That makes three of us Eleanor.

However nothing I have read so far has made it impossible that the dog's alert in the living room was indeed correct.

Apart from the fact that in none of the reports of the killing was it mentioned that Prout moved the body to the living room first before putting it in the car.