Did Bamber call Witham police station ?

[Passer-by]

I'm troubled by him asking the police to pick him up:  this does sound horribly like trying to establish an alibi.

But back in 1985 I lived in a village which still had a police house and a policeman and his family living in it:  it occurs to me that we had that phone number down on the list of emergency numbers by the phone and I'd have been more inclined to phone him than 999 to a national level call centre if I wanted help quickly:  rural roads were far crappier back then to navigate.  It's easy to forget the difference it made having closer access to police officers.  A local would be more likely to find the remote farm as well. 

Would he perhaps have phoned Witham because his father was a Magistrate there?

I suppose he was vindicated for dialling these police stations rather than 999 as ultimately these are indeed where cars were dispatched from.  I've checked on Mappy.com
http://en.mappy.com/#/2/M2/TItinerary/IFRChelmsford%20CM1%201%20-%20SS5%206|TOTolleshunt%20D'Arcy%20CM9%208|GP1.355/N0,0,-0.09691,51.51666/Z7/
And the journey from Chelmsford is via Witham and is 20 miles to Tollshunt d'Arcy, via the A12 taking 35 mins at normal speeds.

The journey from Witham is 10 miles and would take 23 mins.  Chris Bew was dispatched from Witham but reckons he got there 20mins before Bamber, which is rather odd given he overtook him on the way there and the whole journey from Goldhanger to Tollshunt d'Arcy is only 6 mins at normal speeds

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/uk.legal/HeHfdy_asxI

I'm not quite sure how they came to be overtaking Bamber, given the most direct route from Witham is through country lanes via Tolleshunt Major and the quickest is up the A12 and down via Tiptree - and neither seems to afford much opportunity to overlap Bamber's route except the very end, which would mean he would arrive only a minute or two after them, not 20 mins later.

This Bew character seems rather shifty to me.

[APRIL]

I'm troubled by him asking the police to pick him up:  this does sound horribly like trying to establish an alibi.

But back in 1985 I lived in a village which still had a police house and a policeman and his family living in it:  it occurs to me that we had that phone number down on the list of emergency numbers by the phone and I'd have been more inclined to phone him than 999 to a national level call centre if I wanted help quickly:  rural roads were far crappier back then to navigate.  It's easy to forget the difference it made having closer access to police officers.  A local would be more likely to find the remote farm as well. 

Would he perhaps have phoned Witham because his father was a Magistrate there?

I suppose he was vindicated for dialling these police stations rather than 999 as ultimately these are indeed where cars were dispatched from.  I've checked on Mappy.com
http://en.mappy.com/#/2/M2/TItinerary/IFRChelmsford%20CM1%201%20-%20SS5%206|TOTolleshunt%20D'Arcy%20CM9%208|GP1.355/N0,0,-0.09691,51.51666/Z7/
And the journey from Chelmsford is via Witham and is 20 miles to Tollshunt d'Arcy, via the A12 taking 35 mins at normal speeds.

The journey from Witham is 10 miles and would take 23 mins.  Chris Bew was dispatched from Witham but reckons he got there 20mins before Bamber, which is rather odd given he overtook him on the way there and the whole journey from Goldhanger to Tollshunt d'Arcy is only 6 mins at normal speeds

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/uk.legal/HeHfdy_asxI

I'm not quite sure how they came to be overtaking Bamber, given the most direct route from Witham is through country lanes via Tolleshunt Major and the quickest is up the A12 and down via Tiptree - and neither seems to afford much opportunity to overlap Bamber's route except the very end, which would mean he would arrive only a minute or two after them, not 20 mins later.

This Bew character seems rather shifty to me.

P-b, Hi. Jeremy's local cop shops would have been Tollesbury, which certainly, like other rural stations, wouldn't have been manned 24 hrs, Tiptree or Maldon. Whilst Witham and Chelmsford both had cars on site, there would have been no guarantee that there were cars available. I imagine the route they would have taken, from either Witham or Chelmsford, was to Maldon, dropping down to Heybridge which would take them past the top of Head Street. Taking the A12 through Kelvedon to Tiptree, unless they'd been dispatched from Colchester, would have taken them a long way past D'Arcy and they'd have needed to double back. I have always called 999 if I'd calculated there was something happening which was beyond my capabilities to fix, but my responsibility to do something about. Being told someone had gone mad and had got hold of a gun would definitely have come under my heading of IMMEDIATE emergency.   

[Myster]

As I have also done on a few occasions, and I think most rational and sensible people would do, not faff about for ten minutes thumbing through a phone directory for a local number (as Bamber admitted doing when interviewed), knowing that his dad's life was in danger.

Extract from 'In Search Of The Rainbow's End' by Colin Caffell...



Extract from recent correspondence with Paul Harrison...

"Dad certainly was not injured when he spoke to me. I think that having phoned me and the police that Dad went upstairs to calm Sheila down and it was at that point that Dad got wounded."

I know which version I'd go for as being a true recollection.

[Passer-by]

Thank you both:  hmm, not so good really.  Though his second version is the scenario I thought most likely if true, Myster and the evidence of CC's book is second-hand and certainly not impartial.

[Holly Goodhead]

As I have also done on a few occasions, and I think most rational and sensible people would do, not faff about for ten minutes thumbing through a phone directory for a local number (as Bamber admitted doing when interviewed), knowing that his dad's life was in danger.

Extract from 'In Search Of The Rainbow's End' by Colin Caffell...



Extract from recent correspondence with Paul Harrison...

"Dad certainly was not injured when he spoke to me. I think that having phoned me and the police that Dad went upstairs to calm Sheila down and it was at that point that Dad got wounded."

I know which version I'd go for as being a true recollection.

AE's and JB's WS's make no ref to NB sounding injured:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=2189

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5631.0;attach=4566

I have every sympathy for CC but it is far easier for him to see his former brother-in-law as murdering his twin sons than his former wife and mother to the twins. 

Sadly this is a theme of this case eg when Dr F heard the trial verdict on the news and said he was glad it wasn't SC after all.  Well of course he would be glad as if JB had been found not guilty Dr F's professional judgement would have fallen under the spotlight. 

[Holly Goodhead]

AE's and JB's WS's make no ref to NB sounding injured:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=2189

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5631.0;attach=4566

I have every sympathy for CC but it is far easier for him to see his former brother-in-law as murdering his twin sons than his former wife and mother to the twins. 

Sadly this is a theme of this case eg when Dr F heard the trial verdict on the news and said he was glad it wasn't SC after all.  Well of course he would be glad as if JB had been found not guilty Dr F's professional judgement would have fallen under the spotlight.

None of the police logs make ref to NB sounding injured.  If they did I think firearms would have been called out straight away and/or PS Bews would have called for firearms sooner than he did.

[Passer-by]

Funnily enough Holly, from what I've been reading about family annihilators, if it was SC it would quite likely been the regrettable situation between her and CC that would have triggered it rather than something at the farm.

Page 46: 
https://ir.library.dc-uoit.ca/bitstream/10155/263/1/Fleming_Katie.pdf
Financial hardship and separation leading to an uncertain place in the family hierarchy seemingly important factors. 

Not sure how noble it was of her family and ex-husband to leave her applying for cleaning jobs whilst suffering schizophrenia and looking after children only just old enough for school.  (Possibly they were giving her enough money but she needed more for a drug habit?)

Myster I'm not sure why it was in JB's interests to claim he was sure his father had been shot prior to the phonecall if it was a bluff:  if anything he was trying to prove his father was alive.  Unless it was a genuinely held belief I don't see why he would bother saying it?  Is there any primary evidence for him saying it?

[Holly Goodhead]

None of the police logs make ref to NB sounding injured.  If they did I think firearms would have been called out straight away and/or PS Bews would have called for firearms sooner than he did.

And mentioning a firearm and injury in the same breath would surely trigger an ambulance.

[Passer-by]

I still maintain the quickest route from Witham was up the A12 and then down the B road instead of all those little twisting lanes.  And I still don't see how Bews could have got there 20 mins earlier than JB after passing him on the road doing a 6min journey:  he must be exaggerating at best.  Does anyone know where a 999 call would have been handled, at national level or a regional exchange?

[Anna]

I still maintain the quickest route from Witham was up the A12 and then down the B road instead of all those little twisting lanes.  And I still don't see how Bews could have got there 20 mins earlier than JB after passing him on the road doing a 6min journey:  he must be exaggerating at best.  Does anyone know where a 999 call would have been handled, at national level or a regional exchange?

Still not sure about the calls, but there is a video, on the videos thread showing logs.

[Anna]

I still maintain the quickest route from Witham was up the A12 and then down the B road instead of all those little twisting lanes.  And I still don't see how Bews could have got there 20 mins earlier than JB after passing him on the road doing a 6min journey:  he must be exaggerating at best.  Does anyone know where a 999 call would have been handled, at national level or a regional exchange?

999 would  have been a regional/local dedicated line, in these days. The message would then go to the nearest station.

[Anna]

I cant remember where I saw it, but didn't NB use 999 to call?

The book is Jeremy's side of the story. Bias of course, as it is one side of the story, as taken from the website and published yesterday which was 30 year anniversary.

ETA: Sorry I got dates wrong for anniversary, but is coming up.

[Holly Goodhead]

I still maintain the quickest route from Witham was up the A12 and then down the B road instead of all those little twisting lanes.  And I still don't see how Bews could have got there 20 mins earlier than JB after passing him on the road doing a 6min journey:  he must be exaggerating at best.  Does anyone know where a 999 call would have been handled, at national level or a regional exchange?

Who said PS Bews arrived 20 mins before JB? 

I think this explains how calls are routed and dealt with:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=170.msg1779#msg1779

Try this too:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=177.msg1786#msg1786

[Passer-by]

Who said PS Bews arrived 20 mins before JB? 

I think this explains how calls are routed and dealt with:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=170.msg1779#msg1779

Try this too:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=177.msg1786#msg1786

Chris Bews said he arrived 20 mins before Bamber in an article in the East Anglia Daily News, as in my link higher up - herewith again.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/uk.legal/HeHfdy_asxI

[John]

It is even stranger he told police he phoned Witham then said he did not phone them under oath a year later.

When people lie they tend to get their story mixed up after a while.  He did the same thing with the phone call to Julie story in that he said one thing to police initially and then tripped himself up when it came to the interrogation.