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Offline Eleanor

Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« on: January 29, 2015, 08:40:00 PM »
The Portuguese Secrecy Laws were obviously broken, if not worse.

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Offline Anna

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2015, 08:42:16 PM »
I think he would have been aware of the Secrecy laws.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2015, 08:44:56 PM »
I think he would have been aware of the Secrecy laws.

Does the fact that the judge said amaral broke the secrecy laws actually mean he did...do you have a cite...or does it mean something completely different like other statements made by legal peeps in this case
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2015, 08:48:45 PM »
I think he would have been aware of the Secrecy laws.

Whether you like it or not, the internet overrides that.

and leaks will always occur.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2015, 08:51:07 PM »
Whether you like it or not, the internet overrides that.

and leaks will always occur.

In Portugal?  Heaven forfend.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2015, 09:08:56 PM »
I suppose if Dr Amaral broke the secrecy laws of Portugal, it can be proven and someone wishes to prosecute him then he will wind up in court. Unless the Portuguese want to "do a Nelson" of course *.
It always struck me that the Portuguese secrecy laws were in fact a bit complex and not readily understood by yer actual average internet punter thereby making endless debate possible like is a Zebra black with white stripes or white with black stripes?

* don't all shout xenophobic comments at once. *&*%£

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2015, 09:11:42 PM »
I suppose if Dr Amaral broke the secrecy laws of Portugal, it can be proven and someone wishes to prosecute him then he will wind up in court. Unless the Portuguese want to "do a Nelson" of course *.
It always struck me that the Portuguese secrecy laws were in fact a bit complex and not readily understood by yer actual average internet punter thereby making endless debate possible like is a Zebra black with white stripes or white with black stripes?

* don't all shout xenophobic comments at once. *&*%£

It appears the judge has made the statement..no debate ..no internet punter..

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2015, 09:29:39 PM »
One might wonder if Amaral received The Gaspar Statements and "Accidentally" mislaid them.

You are probably correct there, Eleanor.

Amaral had no right to use any files in his book. The book would have been written well before the release date. All the photos he used were from the files.

Case archived 21/7/2008

Book launched 24/7/2008

Files released to public 4/8/2008

First payment he received of €22.500 16/7/2008.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2015, 10:05:46 PM »
His book was released after the files were released. He didn't officially retire from the PJ until 1 July 2008.

Tuesday 01 July 2008
Thanks to ‘astro’ for translation
 
The controversial coordinator, who was removed from the Maddie case, says he “leaves proud” and that he is not “hurt”. His last action was delivering the service mobile phone
 
The PJ’s coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral, who was removed from the Maddie case over an opinion offence, is, from today onwards, a free man. At midnight, he went into retirement and, according to what he told 24horas yesterday, his first day “is going to be beautiful, with plenty to do and the ability to savour the plenitude of his freedom of expression”.
 
Just enigmatic enough, Gonçalo Amaral, aged 49, had his last day at the PJ yesterday, “a perfectly normal day”. He arrived early, finished the operation into the process that lead, over the weekend, to the apprehension of two and a half tons of hashish and the detention of six traffickers, and dispatched a few more cases. Before lunch, which lasted from 1 p.m. until 3 p.m., the controversial coordinator of criminal investigation delivered his duty pistol, his badge and his card at the Faro Directory. At the end of the day, around 5.30 p.m., he delivered his service mobile phone.
 
http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/goncalo-amaral-the-interviews-july-08/

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Offline Anna

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2015, 10:10:15 PM »
Of course they wouldn't Anna. You would think they would have picked up on a few things written too.

So does that mean that the publishers read the book, while it was still under Secrecy?
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2015, 10:11:34 PM »
His book was released after the files were released. He didn't officially retire from the PJ until 1 July 2008.

Tuesday 01 July 2008
Thanks to ‘astro’ for translation
 
The controversial coordinator, who was removed from the Maddie case, says he “leaves proud” and that he is not “hurt”. His last action was delivering the service mobile phone
 
The PJ’s coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral, who was removed from the Maddie case over an opinion offence, is, from today onwards, a free man. At midnight, he went into retirement and, according to what he told 24horas yesterday, his first day “is going to be beautiful, with plenty to do and the ability to savour the plenitude of his freedom of expression”.
 
Just enigmatic enough, Gonçalo Amaral, aged 49, had his last day at the PJ yesterday, “a perfectly normal day”. He arrived early, finished the operation into the process that lead, over the weekend, to the apprehension of two and a half tons of hashish and the detention of six traffickers, and dispatched a few more cases. Before lunch, which lasted from 1 p.m. until 3 p.m., the controversial coordinator of criminal investigation delivered his duty pistol, his badge and his card at the Faro Directory. At the end of the day, around 5.30 p.m., he delivered his service mobile phone.
 
http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/goncalo-amaral-the-interviews-july-08/

Wrong.

English translations - McCann PJ fileswww.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htmThis information belongs to the Ministerio Publico in Portimao, Portugal. It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law ...
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2015, 10:16:48 PM »
So does that mean that the publishers read the book, while it was still under Secrecy?

I would say so Anna, same as CM who printed from the book the day of release.
That's why I believe the judge did say he broke the secrecy law.
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Offline Anna

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2015, 10:20:18 PM »
I would say so Anna, same as CM who printed from the book the day of release.
That's why I believe the judge did say he broke the secrecy law.

Thank you DCI, For that very helpful, information.
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2015, 10:24:06 PM »
Thank you DCI, For that very helpful, information.

From Pathfinders link.

03 July 2008

Note: Tomorrow Expresso will publish the full interview. The book is finished. 200 pages. Ready for publishing “immediately” upon the secrecy being lifted. Also notice Mr. Gonçalo Amaral has a good sense of humour, his already grilling some sardines. -
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2015, 10:37:22 PM »
From Pathfinders link.

03 July 2008

Note: Tomorrow Expresso will publish the full interview. The book is finished. 200 pages. Ready for publishing “immediately” upon the secrecy being lifted. Also notice Mr. Gonçalo Amaral has a good sense of humour, his already grilling some sardines. -

Was the supposed breaking of the secrecy law one of the points cited by the McCanns in their writ ? Because if not I'm not sure why you feel it relevant.
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