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Offline Anna

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #120 on: February 09, 2015, 04:53:00 PM »
You are welcome Anna.

Just realised, he used the investigation files in the video too. Unless he drew the pictures of Murat and the efits.
Along with the dog video's.

Well that would be really, clever   &%&£(+
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Lyall

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #121 on: February 09, 2015, 04:55:05 PM »
You are welcome Anna.

Just realised, he used the investigation files in the video too. Unless he drew the pictures of Murat and the efits.
Along with the dog video's.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AMARAL_DOC_13_04_09.htm

That was made after the case was archived though?

Lyall

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #122 on: February 09, 2015, 05:01:22 PM »
Maybe you should be asking why the publishers didn't just wait a few days/weeks before publishing if there was an issue with secrecy?

Maybe they thought there wasn't? &%+((£

They don't publish without taking legal advice first. Not even in Portugal!

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #123 on: February 09, 2015, 05:23:35 PM »
Maybe you should be asking why the publishers didn't just wait a few days/weeks before publishing if there was an issue with secrecy?

Maybe they thought there wasn't? &%+((£

They don't publish without taking legal advice first. Not even in Portugal!

They are all in on the conspiracy oops I meant in cahoots.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #124 on: February 09, 2015, 05:31:22 PM »
Well that would be really, clever   &%&£(+

Not if they'd already been released.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Anna

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #125 on: February 09, 2015, 05:37:32 PM »
Not if they'd already been released.

If you read back, faith, you will see that I was responding to the suggestion of drawing, of e fits and dog videos
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Lyall

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #126 on: February 09, 2015, 05:41:05 PM »
They are all in on the conspiracy oops I meant in cahoots.

 ?{)(** They must be.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #127 on: February 09, 2015, 05:51:33 PM »
If you read back, faith, you will see that I was responding to the suggestion of drawing, of e fits and dog videos

This is what you responded to Anna from DCI.

"You are welcome Anna.

Just realised, he used the investigation files in the video too. Unless he drew the pictures of Murat and the efits.
Along with the dog video's."

All the items mentioned above would have been in the public domain by the time the video was made, so no, it wouldn't have been very clever.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #128 on: February 09, 2015, 05:52:56 PM »

Jolly good effort, all round.  I do so love a good, On Topic debate.  Well done you all.

Offline Anna

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #129 on: February 09, 2015, 05:56:29 PM »
This is what you responded to Anna from DCI.

"You are welcome Anna.

Just realised, he used the investigation files in the video too. Unless he drew the pictures of Murat and the efits.
Along with the dog video's."

All the items mentioned above would have been in the public domain by the time the video was made, so no, it wouldn't have been very clever.

If he had done(as bold) I think that it would have been very clever, but in reality, impossible.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #130 on: February 09, 2015, 10:29:26 PM »
Aarghhhhhh!

3 days after the files were closed Amaral had a book in the public domain - launch - whatever.

I like the book.  It is as equally full of facts and insight as it is crap.  It is a movie fantasy, only in old fashioned print.

Amaral's book has detailed drawings of 5A that accurately match the incident scene photos. 3 days after the files were closed.

Amaral describes the crime scene in detail, 3 days after the files were closed.

Amaral fairly accurately discloses the case summary that closes the file, 3 days after the files were closed. 

Were there leaks?  Of course there were!

Was Amaral in breach?

If breach would be a criminal offence, for which if anyone gave a toss, Amaral would have been prosecuted years ago.

The evidence suggests Amaral was in breach, but no one cares a jot,

The illustrator for Amaral's book, the one who carefully redrew the crime scene photos, was he/she also in breach?  Or just the person(s) who leaked the photos?

The text, that went to editor or publisher, plus probably many more.  Was that in breach?  The printer?

How about whoever leaked the final PJ report shelving the case?  So that Amaral could copy the conclusion in his book, some 3 days later.

If you want to talk about leaks, please consider the following.  SY had a helicopter over Luz with Andy Redwood aboard in June 2013.  Sky News had a helicopter filming Andy Redwood's helicopter at the exact same time.  Who leaked?

The UK newspapers were full all "3 places to be dug in Luz" in the middle of 2014.  Who knows how they came up with the correct answer of 3, and wow, did the rumourmill get the wrong places.

Does any of this matter?  Leaks have appeared from just about everyone and his dog about this case. 

Does any of this stuff move the Maddie case one iota, one jot further forward?

If it does, please explain it to me in simple English.  Then I might give a damn.
What's up, old man?

Offline sadie

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #131 on: February 10, 2015, 12:50:46 AM »
Aarghhhhhh!

3 days after the files were closed Amaral had a book in the public domain - launch - whatever.

I like the book.  It is as equally full of facts and insight as it is crap.  It is a movie fantasy, only in old fashioned print.

Amaral's book has detailed drawings of 5A that accurately match the incident scene photos. 3 days after the files were closed.

Amaral describes the crime scene in detail, 3 days after the files were closed.

Amaral fairly accurately discloses the case summary that closes the file, 3 days after the files were closed. 

Were there leaks?  Of course there were!

Was Amaral in breach?

If breach would be a criminal offence, for which if anyone gave a toss, Amaral would have been prosecuted years ago.

The evidence suggests Amaral was in breach, but no one cares a jot,

The illustrator for Amaral's book, the one who carefully redrew the crime scene photos, was he/she also in breach?  Or just the person(s) who leaked the photos?

The text, that went to editor or publisher, plus probably many more.  Was that in breach?  The printer?

How about whoever leaked the final PJ report shelving the case?  So that Amaral could copy the conclusion in his book, some 3 days later.

If you want to talk about leaks, please consider the following.  SY had a helicopter over Luz with Andy Redwood aboard in June 2013.  Sky News had a helicopter filming Andy Redwood's helicopter at the exact same time.  Who leaked?

The UK newspapers were full all "3 places to be dug in Luz" in the middle of 2014.  Who knows how they came up with the correct answer of 3, and wow, did the rumourmill get the wrong places.

Does any of this matter?  Leaks have appeared from just about everyone and his dog about this case. 

Does any of this stuff move the Maddie case one iota, one jot further forward?

If it does, please explain it to me in simple English.  Then I might give a damn.

I dont think his drawings are very accurate Shining.

The first thing is that in the top image the cots are running at right angles to Madeleines bed.  In the lower image they run parallel.  Rather an important point to get wrong, dont you think?.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p305OiLZRCU/SLGmBNgyehI/AAAAAAAAAoo/eThQ0I-tNDE/s400/cs1.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p305OiLZRCU/SOfdFkCWw9I/AAAAAAAABlA/FdayzgZs7so/s400/dogs-1.jpg

Offline sadie

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #132 on: February 10, 2015, 01:21:03 AM »
I dont think his drawings are very accurate Shining.

The first thing is that in the top image the cots are running at right angles to Madeleines bed.  In the lower image they run paralell.  Rather an important point to get wrong, dont you think?.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p305OiLZRCU/SLGmBNgyehI/AAAAAAAAAoo/eThQ0I-tNDE/s400/cs1.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p305OiLZRCU/SOfdFkCWw9I/AAAAAAAABlA/FdayzgZs7so/s400/dogs-1.jpg


You may need to enlarge the image to see the anomolies clearly.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p305OiLZRCU/SOfdFkCWw9I/AAAAAAAABlA/FdayzgZs7so/s400/dogs-1.jpg


And then secondly, it shows the way into the front door as straight in, seemingly from the road; with no indication of the long walled pathway that had to be walked at right angles to the front door... nor of the car park

And the third thing is the way that the rear patio doors are supposed to be accessed; once again from the wrong angle and no indication of steps up.


Then there are the anomolies in Kate and Gerrys bedroom
1)   No door in from the sitting room into the bedroom.  How do they enter?
2)   The beds are the wrong way around and the head of the beds right up against the patio windows/ door with a bedside table alongside.  That is completely wrong.  Disinformation
3)  The wardrobe is also, I think, on the wrong wall


I feel sure if I looked more closely I would find other errors .... and I dont find all the errors very satisfactory tbh.

All very sloppy

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #133 on: February 10, 2015, 06:59:49 AM »
You may need to enlarge the image to see the anomolies clearly.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p305OiLZRCU/SOfdFkCWw9I/AAAAAAAABlA/FdayzgZs7so/s400/dogs-1.jpg


And then secondly, it shows the way into the front door as straight in, seemingly from the road; with no indication of the long walled pathway that had to be walked at right angles to the front door... nor of the car park

And the third thing is the way that the rear patio doors are supposed to be accessed; once again from the wrong angle and no indication of steps up.


Then there are the anomolies in Kate and Gerrys bedroom
1)   No door in from the sitting room into the bedroom.  How do they enter?
2)   The beds are the wrong way around and the head of the beds right up against the patio windows/ door with a bedside table alongside.  That is completely wrong.  Disinformation
3)  The wardrobe is also, I think, on the wrong wall


I feel sure if I looked more closely I would find other errors .... and I dont find all the errors very satisfactory tbh.

All very sloppy


So you don't think he broke secrecy laws then.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #134 on: February 10, 2015, 07:24:51 AM »
So you don't think he broke secrecy laws then.

does it really matter