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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #165 on: February 10, 2015, 10:13:42 PM »
I think you may be wrong about the legality of the PJ files being posted en mass on the internet by a blogging journalist.

Can you give another example when case files have been so published ... for example Jacinta Reese who apparently committed suicide by whacking herself over the head repeatedly with an axe? or the murder of Rachel Charles? or Joana Cipriano?

It is my understanding that the files can be read by interested parties, lawyers, journalists in the interests of transparancy and that is it ... unless you can clearly state otherwise I would consider that their release on the internet was illegal.


IMO there is no dichotomy between the Official Secrets Act in Britain and Judicial Secrecy Law in Portugal.
Funnily enough Alice was quite happy to bring up the Official Secrets Act when discussing JT's supposed breach of judicial secrecy a while back! http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5795.msg206496#msg206496
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #166 on: February 10, 2015, 10:40:25 PM »
Funnily enough Alice was quite happy to bring up the Official Secrets Act when discussing JT's supposed breach of judicial secrecy a while back! http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5795.msg206496#msg206496

Indeed I did saying pretty much what I am saying now.
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #167 on: February 10, 2015, 10:41:15 PM »
Who leaked all the classified information to Paulo Cristaveo to enable him to publish his book - long before the case was shelved and Amaral's book was published?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #168 on: February 10, 2015, 10:52:00 PM »
Indeed I did saying pretty much what I am saying now.
Whats yer point Alf?
"" I would suggest comparing The Official Secrets Act of the UK with Judicial Secrecy in Portugal is inappropriate" you said (except obviously when discussing JT's alleged breaking of judicial secrecy of course!)

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #169 on: February 10, 2015, 10:58:54 PM »
"" I would suggest comparing The Official Secrets Act of the UK with Judicial Secrecy in Portugal is inappropriate" you said (except obviously when discussing JT's alleged breaking of judicial secrecy of course!)

The comparison of the two laws is inappropriate. They are designed for different applications.
I said that one way or another in both posts.
But then you realise that is what I was saying. I don't believe you are daft enough not to have realised...............
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #170 on: February 10, 2015, 11:09:07 PM »
Who leaked all the classified information to Paulo Cristaveo to enable him to publish his book - long before the case was shelved and Amaral's book was published?

Oh yes, "The Star of Madeliene" Released 19/03/2008. Doesn't take too much working out does it Misty?

Cristovao, who left the force following the case, even though he never worked on it. Odd that!



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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #171 on: February 10, 2015, 11:29:58 PM »
Oh yes, "The Star of Madeliene" Released 19/03/2008. Doesn't take too much working out does it Misty?

Cristovao, who left the force following the case, even though he never worked on it. Odd that!

It does make you wonder how the 2 men could put pen to paper, safe in the knowledge that their hard work and deadline dates wouldn't be spoiled by the reappearance  of the subject.

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #172 on: February 11, 2015, 12:14:15 AM »
Funnily enough Alice was quite happy to bring up the Official Secrets Act when discussing JT's supposed breach of judicial secrecy a while back! http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5795.msg206496#msg206496

LOL a leak may not be a leak if it is Goncalo Amaral doing the leaking ... we shall await any repercussions with bated breath.

Actually I was not aware that one had to sign the act for it to be binding and I would be of the opinion that sensitive material didn't become less sensitive when the handler changed jobs or retired.

However the point I was trying to make was that not only did Mr Amaral behave in a distinctly unprofessional manner ... he acted illegally by writing his book.

He was not a whistle blower against officialdom; he unleashed a maelstrom of hatred against the parents of a missing child when he appointed himself as hanging judge and fixed jury. 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #173 on: February 11, 2015, 10:46:17 AM »
It does make you wonder how the 2 men could put pen to paper, safe in the knowledge that their hard work and deadline dates wouldn't be spoiled by the reappearance  of the subject.

I was wondering about that as well. That would have been awkward, although I've no doubt a different heroic ending could have been rustled up.

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #174 on: February 11, 2015, 12:31:05 PM »
It does make you wonder how the 2 men could put pen to paper, safe in the knowledge that their hard work and deadline dates wouldn't be spoiled by the reappearance  of the subject.

Concidering Christoavo was never on the case, where did he get all his file information from?

Was his book not mentioned by the judge?
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #175 on: February 11, 2015, 12:59:02 PM »
Concidering Christoavo was never on the case, where did he get all his file information from?

Was his book not mentioned by the judge?

PPC never went as far as accusing the parents of concealing a cadaver iirc.
I'd hazard a (not too wild) guess that TDA was the source of his information. I believe his role in all this has slipped very much under the radar.
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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #176 on: February 11, 2015, 03:37:29 PM »
PPC never went as far as accusing the parents of concealing a cadaver iirc.
I'd hazard a (not too wild) guess that TDA was the source of his information. I believe his role in all has slipped very much under the radar.

Has it ever been established whether or not he did actually take "leave" at around the time Amaral got booted from the case?

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #177 on: February 11, 2015, 03:50:20 PM »
Has it ever been established whether or not he did actually take "leave" at around the time Amaral got booted from the case?

TAVARES ALMEIDA
A senior police officer in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has asked for an extended leave of absence. Chief Inspector Tavares Almeida's request, reported in the Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas, emerged after his boss, Goncalo Amaral, was taken off the case. It is reported that Mr Almeida has asked for a "licenga sem vencimento" - an extended period of absence, lasting between one month and a year, usually used for studying or training.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/INVESTIGATION.htm
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« Reply #178 on: February 11, 2015, 04:07:06 PM »
TAVARES ALMEIDA
A senior police officer in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has asked for an extended leave of absence. Chief Inspector Tavares Almeida's request, reported in the Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas, emerged after his boss, Goncalo Amaral, was taken off the case. It is reported that Mr Almeida has asked for a "licenga sem vencimento" - an extended period of absence, lasting between one month and a year, usually used for studying or training.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/INVESTIGATION.htm

Thanks.

The pro-Amaral spin that I remember from the time was that he'd requested leave as a protest of solidarity for Amaral being booted.

However....

10/10/07

http://www.24horasnewspaper.com/fotonews/2661/pdf/24.PDF

Amaral's booting happens to coincide with the Virgolino Borges affair in which Tavares de Almeida was accused of torture.

Perhaps he took leave to study horticulture?

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Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral breach Portuguese secrecy laws?
« Reply #179 on: February 12, 2015, 04:46:38 AM »
quote author=misty link=topic=5997.msg219094#msg219094 date=1423608075
Who leaked all the classified information to Paulo Cristaveo to enable him to publish his book - long before the case was shelved and Amaral's book was published?
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Were Amaral and Cristavao best friends?  Cos it seemed that Cristavao was on so many photos with Amaral.   

It was rumoured at the time, soon after Madeleine was taken, that Cristavao was attached to the red top newspaper in PT that was putting out all the terrible lies about the Mccanns ... spreading anti Mccann propaganda..... malicious stuff

Anyone know if he was on the payroll ?



IMO, both the Joana Cipriano case and the Rachel Charles cases [Michael Cook] were heavily affected by disinformation and propaganda put out