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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #90 on: January 09, 2019, 12:27:35 PM »
What would be the reason for any of the 6 to head over to the Brentwood area? 

According to Nicholls he met with Steele and Whomes at Marks Tey.  This would sound about right as I believe at the time Nicholls was living in Braintree with Steele at Great Bentley and Jack Whomes (the only one who lived outside Essex) at Brockford, Suffolk.  Marks Tey would be the ideal meeting point for all 3 to travel down into Essex.  But assuming they were going to meet Rolfe who left Lakeside to collect Tucker from Fobbing (and Tate from Basildon) to recce a potential landing strip at Rettendon why would they all go out of their way to the Brentwood area to collect Steele to then go to Rettendon?

My guess is that the Halfway House near Brentwood was factored in as it showed up on Tate's mobile phone records:

At 17.03 a call was made from a telephone kiosk near The Halfway House public house on the A127 to Tate's mobile phone.

I've extracted the above from the following under the telephone evidence:

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2006/195.html

According to Nicholls he was due to meet Steele (and Whomes) at Marks Tey at 5pm.  The Halfway House and Marks Tey are at opposite ends of the county. 
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2019, 11:49:06 AM »
It seems Steele had criminal convictions going back as far as 1964 but afaik he was not a violent person?

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/5530664.wife-of-convicted-rettendon-killer-speaks-out/

Summary

For:

- Whomes in the vicinity of Rettendon.  He provided a story about collecting a broken down vehicle from Nicholls.  This seems somewhat of a coincidence but coincidences do happen!  For this to sound convincing it would need padding out because their respective homes and places of work are not in this area.  Maybe they were in the vicinity to complete a drug deal with the murdered trio but had no involvement with the murders.  They were then in a catch 22 situation ie if they were truthful as to the real reason for their whereabouts they would face charges for drug dealing and/or they were potentially putting themselves in the frame for murder anyway.

Against:

- Afaik Steele/Whomes were not known to be aggressive/violent by nature?  Previous convictions did not involve any sort of violence?

- By all accounts there wasn't any animosity between the two groups.  The duff cannabis deal had been sorted to everyone's satisfaction.  What motive did Steele/Whomes have to murder Rolfe/Tait/Tucker?  These people appear to have been partners in crime and socialised together. 

- Police investigation seems poor.  According to a crimewatch programme Rolfe's Range Rover was recorded on CCTV leaving Lakeside @ 6pm.  What about CCTV recording the Range Rover thereafter?  And/or other vehicles/locations referred to?

-  There's no forensic/scientific evidence for times of deaths.  Approx 7pm seems to have been arrived at based on Sarah's Saunders call to Tait at approx 6.45pm which lasted some 4 mins and the calls between Nicholls and Whomes at just before 7pm.

- Where's the evidence that the murdered trio were at the found location to view a potential airstrip for a drugs drop?  It seems to me this location may well have been chosen on the basis of its close proximity to farmer Peter Theobald's shooting range ie sound of gunshot not out of the ordinary.

- The emphasis on the phone calls is very much on Sarah Saunder's call to Tate and the calls between Nicholls and Whomes.  What about the mobile calls between Steel and Whomes at 18.03 and 18.09?  Which cells/masts were these routed through?  Does the geographic location add or detract to their involvement in the murders?

- The accounts of Nicholls and Donna Jagger don't seem to add up in terms of journey times.

- Nicholls had a history of dishonesty with a previous conviction for counterfeiting.  He was in the frame for murder and/or drug dealing.  Either way he was potentially facing a long custodial sentence. 

- Nicholls relationship with DC Bird (not the DC Bird involved in JB's case) was described by the CoA as a corrupt one. 

- Nicholls was a police informant turned supergrass.

- Were Nicholls, Steele and Whomes in the vicinity to a complete a drugs deal with the murdered trio but not responsible for the murders? 

- No forensic evidence at soc by way of footprints, tyre tracks on what would have been muddy lanes.  According to Whomes mother the only footprint found was a size 7 and Whomes is a size 11.  A size 7 sounds more like a female.

- What would be the reason for Steele supposedly to join the murdered trio in the Range Rover at the Halfway House when this location is in the complete opposite direction to what Donna Jagger claimed?  And does not fit the geography. 

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2019, 10:59:47 AM »
The following is a recording of Tucker's last tel messages left on his mobile.  It would seem they are in reverse order ie the earliest at the end of the recording.  The reason I say this is that by all accounts the murdered trio had a table booked for 8pm at a restaurant in Romford for themselves and their respective girlfriends.  It seems the first message on the answering machine (at end of recording @ 4.45) is from Tucker's girlfriend, Anna, letting him know she's ready which would probably be around 7pm - 7.30pm.  It appears as though the call was taken but he was unable to respond?  She sounds thoroughbred Essex girl and says something like..."He put the fcuking phone down..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGpxqhR1PYs

She then calls again and leaves a message telling him she's ready, for the night out I assume.  She then makes numerous further calls throughout the night and the following day stating she thinks he's dead!

If this call was answered albeit he didn't respond nearer 7.30pm this would severely dent the prosecution case against Steele and Whomes.  The case against them, based on Nicholls testimony, is that the calls to Nicholls mobile from Whomes just before 7pm were to signal Nicholls and the getaway car.  Maybe this is the reason Nicholls said Steele turned up slightly later?

Tucker was found with his mobile in his hand.  One caller left a message stating Tucker's mother had been in touch in an attempt to discover his home number so I think its safe to assume his mobile was his means of communicating with others.

There's also 2 calls from a Micky (Steel?) which appear to have been made the following day ie 7th Dec. 

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Offline Myster

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #93 on: January 12, 2019, 06:14:41 AM »
Detective HG, you might have already seen this. No bull... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx68pvpGK2c

And some others... https://www.youtube.com/user/Jon54605/videos

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2019, 11:30:19 AM »
Detective HG, you might have already seen this. No bull... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx68pvpGK2c

And some others... https://www.youtube.com/user/Jon54605/videos

Thanks Myster  8((()*/

As a child I did want to be a police officer.  I'm not sure if it was watching Dixon of Dock Green or reading the Secret Seven that got me interested but I have a feeling it was one or both!

I've listened to the first one.  I'll listen to the others when I have time. 

Tucker was a former soldier so I very much doubt he would need Steele to navigate him to a lane on his own turf. His home in Fobbing is some 11.1 miles from Rettendon.  Steele's home in Great Bentley is some 39.5 miles from Rettendon.

The witnesses were obviously trying to be helpful but given the site is a farm hosting various outdoor pursuits eg fishing and shooting Range Rovers would be commonplace. 

The last witness was the most interesting.  She said the farm shop sold hay.  By all accounts Tucker had a horse(s) at Longwood Stables in Dry Street, Basildon so he may well have visited for hay.  In the tel messages above his girlfriend Anna refers to 'being back from the stables' which struck me as odd given the time would have been late and it was winter ie dark.  Coupled with the fact she was 'ready' to go out for a meal at a restaurant.  Were the stables used and/or horses to store drugs and ferry them around via fields and country lanes?

According to a book written by Bernard O'Mahoney (an associate of Tucker's) Steel's wife, Jackie Steele, and Tait's former partner, Sarah Saunders, both kept horses at Longwood Stables so the idea these people had no knowledge of such a location is imo nonsense.  There appear to be a number of Equestrian Centres very close to the murder scene.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2019, 11:43:30 AM »
The following is a recording of Tucker's last tel messages left on his mobile.  It would seem they are in reverse order ie the earliest at the end of the recording.  The reason I say this is that by all accounts the murdered trio had a table booked for 8pm at a restaurant in Romford for themselves and their respective girlfriends.  It seems the first message on the answering machine (at end of recording @ 4.45) is from Tucker's girlfriend, Anna, letting him know she's ready which would probably be around 7pm - 7.30pm.  It appears as though the call was taken but he was unable to respond?  She sounds thoroughbred Essex girl and says something like..."He put the fcuking phone down..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGpxqhR1PYs

She then calls again and leaves a message telling him she's ready, for the night out I assume.  She then makes numerous further calls throughout the night and the following day stating she thinks he's dead!

If this call was answered albeit he didn't respond nearer 7.30pm this would severely dent the prosecution case against Steele and Whomes.  The case against them, based on Nicholls testimony, is that the calls to Nicholls mobile from Whomes just before 7pm were to signal Nicholls and the getaway car.  Maybe this is the reason Nicholls said Steele turned up slightly later?

Tucker was found with his mobile in his hand.  One caller left a message stating Tucker's mother had been in touch in an attempt to discover his home number so I think its safe to assume his mobile was his means of communicating with others.

There's also 2 calls from a Micky (Steel?) which appear to have been made the following day ie 7th Dec.

At 3.15 Tucker's girlfriend Anna calls (she was due to go out with him for a meal in Romford table booked for 8pm) she says something like its quarter past eleven and 'I'm home from the stables' or 'I haven't heard from the stables'?
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Offline Myster

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2019, 01:32:14 PM »
At 3.15 Tucker's girlfriend Anna calls (she was due to go out with him for a meal in Romford table booked for 8pm) she says something like its quarter past eleven and 'I'm home from the stables' or 'I haven't heard from the stables'?
Sounds like - "The time's now quarter past eleven" (am. ?)... "I've just got home from Staples" (the stationer in Chelmsford if she worked or shopped there?)

Thay don't 'arf tawk fannay darn sarf!

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Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2019, 03:16:05 PM »
Sounds like - "The time's now quarter past eleven" (am. ?)... "I've just got home from Staples" (the stationer in Chelmsford if she worked or shopped there?)

Thay don't 'arf tawk fannay darn sarf!


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Offline Caroline

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2019, 04:08:49 PM »
I don't have the time or inclination to 'investigate' new cases but I started dipping into this one over a year ago as I see it as a sideways move from WHF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxcDTUMLQJI

I find common themes between the two cases and I am interested in understanding more about the world of illegal drugs. 

I agree they were/are drug dealing s..m but the point is are Steele and Whomes (also drug dealing s..m) actually responsible for the murders?   If not they need to receive sentences appropriate for their drug dealing offences and the perp(s) of the murders need holding to account with Nicholls (also drug dealing s..m) held to account for his drug dealing offences and perverting the course of justice.

I can't believe that you are pursuing the notion that Nevil Bamber was growing drugs for the illegal drugs market.

 *&^^&
« Last Edit: January 12, 2019, 04:16:28 PM by Caroline »

Offline Myster

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #99 on: January 13, 2019, 08:14:06 AM »

We don't all inhabit the set of "Eastenders", Myster ?{)(**
There are exceptions of course, APRIL... as I've personally witnessed.  8(0(*

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #100 on: January 13, 2019, 07:52:44 PM »
Sounds like - "The time's now quarter past eleven" (am. ?)... "I've just got home from Staples" (the stationer in Chelmsford if she worked or shopped there?)

Thay don't 'arf tawk fannay darn sarf!

About as easy to decipher as DS Jones in the 'Killing Mum and Dad' vid!

Maybe you're just a snob thinking someone with such an accent doesn't or shouldn't have access to horses and stables and working at Staples sounds more fitting! 

I doubt she is referring to Staples as I believe the time she is referring to is quarter past eleven (23.15).  The reason I say this is that by all accounts the murdered trio and their respective girlfriends were due to eat at a restaurant in Romford at 8pm.  Romford being a half hour drive from Tucker's home in Fobbing.  As I said up thread I believe the phone messages are in reverse order with the first the most recent meaning her second message (at the end of the recording) refers to being ready ie for the meal.  She then makes numerous further calls throughout the night and into the next day ie at the beginning of the recording. 

What's really interesting is that it sounds like the first message (at the end of the recording) was answered but no one spoke.  If this was much after 7pm it would severely dent the prosecution case against Steele and Whomes as the case against them is that they murdered the trio before 7pm and then swiftly left the soc.  Tucker was found with his phone in hand with his gsw's immediately fatal.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #101 on: January 13, 2019, 07:58:42 PM »
I can't believe that you are pursuing the notion that Nevil Bamber was growing drugs for the illegal drugs market.

 *&^^&

I don't believe I've ever said NB was growing drugs but no one can explain the opium poppies growing at WHF.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #102 on: January 13, 2019, 08:49:46 PM »
There appears to be a dearth of info re the ballistics in this case. 

Maybe its just a visual perception thing but looking at images of the Range Rover down the lane to my eye/mind it doesn't appear to afford the perp(s) an opportunity of shooting through the side windows without getting caught up in the hedges?
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Offline sika

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #103 on: January 14, 2019, 12:13:23 PM »
Audio Tape Recording Transcription of Telephone Mailbox Messages of Tony Tucker

Audio Tape Recording Transcription of Telephone Mailbox Messages from Mailbox No. 276603194

You have 26 messages; -

1
0.17
Hi Tony, this is Homes Building, please ring Derek Tyler on Leeds 0113 284 3553. Thank you.

2
0.34
Hi, I don't know if you're there erm. I ring up about the wages erm, can you give me a ring at home, OK, cheers, bye.

3
0.52
Tony, it's only me yet again, I just thought I'd ring you up, can you ring me as soon as you can. Bye.

4
1.00
Tone, it's Mary, can you ring me, it's really important. I need to to talk to you, really important, now, thanks, bye.

5
1.10
Tone, can you ring me when you get in please, bye.

6
1.17
Hi Tone, it's only me, can you give us a ring when you get back or when you read your messages. Bye.

7
1.27
Tone, it's Cole, can you give us a ring at Lynne's, cheers mate.

8
1.34
Tone, can you ring us back cause he's dead (ASKS 'A THIRD PARTY 'what does he also say' REPLY 'he's worried') we're worried, will you ring us straight back as soon as you can.

9
1.46
Tony, it's Jane and Ronnie here, can you give us a call please, 01303 245977 as soon as possible

10
2.00
Allo Tone, it's Pete, your mum? been after your house telephone number, can you ring her and let her know what it is. See you later

11
2.13
Hello Tone, could you ring me, it's Bill. 12 2.23 For god's sake Tone, phone me (crying) Speak to you later. Bye.

13
2.33
Hello Tone, give us a ring mate, it's Mickey

14
2.40
Hello Tone, give us a ring mate. Mickey.

15
2.48
Hi, only me, erm Tone, when you listen to your messages could you ring me please, we're worried sick at the moment. Speak to you later Bye

16
3.00
Hi, it's only me, erm, time's nearly five past.. still haven't heard from you Can you just give us a ring please to let us know you're alright, cause at the moment I think your dead It's just said on the tele that there's three men in range rover, we think it's you Bye

17
3.20
Hello Tone, it's Ian, can you give us a ring please

18
3.28
Hi ya, only me, erm the time's now a quarter to one, I still haven't heard from you, could you just give me a ring please round mums to let me know that you're alright Speak to you later. Bye

19
3.42
Hi, only me, erm, the time's now Quarter past eleven, erm, I've just got home from the stables, what was I going to say. erm erm, just thought I give you a ring cause I haven't heard from ya, er, you either are alright or your not, but I wouldn't know really cause your phone's off Alright then, so I will try and catch up with you later on Bye.

20
4.06
Yer, can you ring Bernie please.

21
4.12
Tony, hi it's Paul Shavell here, it's erm nine o'clock can you delay the pick up of erm, your equipment, erm until about erm say about 12 o'clock today, cause we're going to be working on it until then, it's going to be a couple of hours I'll speak to you later, I'm at work 5156644, cheerio

22
4.35
Hello babe, it's me, give us a ring when you get a minute, bye

23
4.41
Hi, Tone, it's Mary, just to let you know Chris is home so if you're going to ring up don't bother about Willowbrook, he's at home with me Speak to you soon Bye

24
4.53
Hello babe, give us a ring and let me know how you're getting on, I'm all ready now Bye

25
4.59
Hi babe, only me, erm, can you give me a ring round the flat, the flat what I used to be in remember 557679 yes, ring me straight away ye, right speak to you in a minute If not, come round my other flat, I'm round Joy's at the moment, but come round the flat. I'll be here for the next about 15 minutes. Right then, speak to you in a minute Bye

26
5.18
SOUND OF PHONE RINGING
5.25

5.26
Hello, hello, tut, put the f....ing phone down Di, hello, (VOICE OF DI?) don't know (IN REPLY TO Dl?)

You have no more messages, read messages will be deleted after 12 hours To replay and delete your messages individually, key 2, to replay all messages, key 92.
END

Offline sika

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #104 on: January 14, 2019, 12:25:02 PM »
07/12/07 - Press Release on behalf of Michael John Steele
Christopher Lawrence Bowen Solicitor for Michael John Steele

PRESS RELEASE ON BEHALF OF MICHAEL JOHN STEELE
RE: 12TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DISCOVERY OF THE RANGE ROVER MURDERS, RETTENDON, ESSEX, ENGLAND.
(EMBARGO LASTS UNTIL 05.00 ON 7TH DECEMBER 2007)

Today, it is 12 years to the date, since the discovery in Rettendon of the blue Range Rover containing the bodies of Patrick Tate, Anthony Tucker and Craig Rolfe.

During the trial (01/09/97 to 20/01/98), the prosecution claimed that two members of the public discovered the Range Rover at about 8 a.m.

The jury never heard that at 6.30 a.m. on 7th December 1995, Detective Superintendent David Bright of Essex Police received a telephone call from a Detective Constable then serving on the Drug Squad informing him that three men had been found shot dead in a Range Rover in Rettendon and that it was a gangland style killing.

This information was recorded in a witness statement provided by David Bright to Hertfordshire Police (over 6 years after the end of the trial during the first Criminal Cases Review Commission review of the case). The failure of the prosecuting authorities to disclose this information prior to the trial (in accordance with their obligations) misled the jury about how the police first learned of the murders.

If the three deceased were not under surveillance on 6th and 7th December 1995, how is it that Superintendent Bright knew of the murders approximately one and a half hours prior to the two witnesses who the jury were told discovered the Range Rover at about 8 a.m.?

A number of pertinent questions need to be answered urgently. They include:

1.   Who really first discovered the bodies of Messrs Tate, Tucker and Rolfe?
2.   When?
3.   In what circumstances?
4.   Why was it that the scene was not already sealed off by police before 8 a.m.?
5.   Which Essex Police Drug Squad officer telephoned David Bright?
6.   Why was Superintendent Bright’s knowledge of this call never revealed to the defence prior to trial?

Christopher Lawrence Bowen Solicitor for Michael John Steele