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Offline sika

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #270 on: January 30, 2019, 10:44:33 PM »

BARRY THOMAS DORMAN Statement

NAME: BARRY THOMAS DORMAN
AGE / DATE OF BIRTH: 47

04091948

Who states:- This statement consisting of 012 pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

DATED: 081295
B T DORMAN (SIGNED)

I am the above named person and I live at the address overleaf with my daughter Susan Louise DORMAN who is 17 years old. I have lived at this address for the last sixteen years.About 18 - 19 years ago I was working as a shift engineer at Tunnel Refineries, Greenwich. At this time I was buying and selling cars in my spare time and as a result I met a man called Patrick TATE. At this time Pat was living in Havengore, Pitsea, and he was about 19 to 20 years old.My contact with Pat continued as I started to see him attending car auctions. As a result of this we continued our contact on a friendly business basis but our contact was limited to the dealing in second hand cars.About 11 years ago I had a serious car accident and as a result of my injuries I had to give up my full time job at Tunnel Refineries. After about a year as a result of my continued contact with Pat TATE it was suggested by him that I try the second hand car trade full time.

It was through Pat that I managed to acquire the rented forecourt located at the junction of the old A13 and One Tree Hill. At this time the garage was called Eastern Garage and the forecourt was a separate entity alongside. I took up the forecourt with my cousin, Steven DILLON, who was already a car trader in London. We named the forecourt Cousin Cars and began trading in 000085. My contact with Pat TATE increased as he was running another car front on Canvey Island called Beech Autos. My contact with Pat was still limited to a friendly business basis. After about five years my cousin and I had a big fall out and as a result we parted company. I continued to trade and was joined at the site by a man called Graham LAW who at that time was also trading from the Five Bells Roundabout site on the A13.

After a period of time the two garages amalgamated as Eastern Garage Car Sales and I ran the Five Bells site and Graham ran the One Tree Hill site. We have continued like this to date. About this time I became aware that Pat TATE had become involved with the police in respect of some criminal matter and that he was in custody. I can remember being contacted by his girlfriend Sarah SAUNDERS who told me that the police had seized about twenty thousand pounds from Pat which they believed was drug related money. It was the first time it was mentioned that Pat may be involved in the dealing of drugs although I had been aware that Pat took or used cocaine himself. I had known Sarah SAUNDERS for many years as her grandmother lived very near to my own house.

She asked me to help Pat by showing that the money was related to car dealing not drug dealing and to do this she asked me to find for her all the car invoices which related to car trades between Pat and myself. I did this and handed them to Sarah and as a result I was required to attend Chelmsford Crown Court at a later date to give evidence at Pat's trial. I was later told by Sarah that Pat had been convicted of robbery and had been sentenced to a long term of imprisonment. Whilst Pat was in prison he contacted me and as a result I went to visit him at a prison in Kent. He asked me to sort out a vehicle for Sarah SAUNDERS which I agreed to do.

I also visited Pat one other time when he had phoned and asked me to go and see him. My next contact with Pat was when I was invited to Pat's release party at Sarah SAUNDERS' mother's address. At this party I was introduced to a person by the name of Steven ELLIS by Pat as well as a number of friends and family. I can also remember spending time with a man I know as Bill BAXTER. I knew Bill BAXTER through the car trade and I knew that Bill had some involvement with Pat in respect of a car front in Southend. Bill BAXTER now runs the car front opposite Nova Car Sales on the London Road, Leigh on Sea and I believe Pat TATE still has a financial involvement with Bill BAXTER.

After the party I can remember Steven ELLIS and Pat coming down to my car site with a view to Steven buying a vehicle. At this time I can remember Steven ELLIS having about seven thousand pounds in cash to spend. To my recollection this would have been about 18 months ago. ELLIS did not buy a vehicle from me but I knew that he had originally come to me on Pat's recommendations. My contact with Pat continued as before with reasonably regular contact through the trade and the sale of a number of vehicles to Pat.

I would describe my relationship with Pat as friendly although we did not socialise outside of work. It was around this sort of time that Pat started talking about a man called Tony TUCKER who he said he had met at a nightclub where Tony was working as a doorman. I had never met Tony but I can remember Pat talking about him. It was around this time that I was told that Pat had been shot and he was in Basildon Hospital. I went to the hospital with Graham LAW to see Pat and when I was there Pat's brother, Russell, turned up.

Although I had known Russell as a car trader, I have had very little to do with him. We only stayed with Pat for about 10 minutes as I merely wanted to let him know that I had heard and passed on my good wishes. Although I had this regular contact with Pat and we had built up a trust between us, he never told me any details of what he was involved in other than to do with cars. As he knew I had previously been in the Metropolitan Police service for a short period and I was also wary of Pat with his volatile temperament, I was always careful of what I asked Pat in case he thought I was trying to get information from him.

I was later told that the man I had met at Pat's party, Steven ELLIS was possibly involved in the shooting, although I do not know whether there is any truth in this. I have never asked Pat about the shooting, or his other business as I know he would be suspicious of my reasons. I later became aware that the police had found a number of items in Pat's possession at hospital and as a result he was returned to prison. I believe the items included a hand gun, a quantity of cocaine and some tablets.

I did not go and see Pat in prison but I was asked by Pat through Sarah SAUNDERS to

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #271 on: January 31, 2019, 12:44:24 PM »
Have you watched this recently uploaded O'Mahoney video, Holly?   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDIR-dbxUmI

I'll watch it later, thanks  8((()*/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #272 on: January 31, 2019, 01:08:40 PM »
Essexboys - Documents
PETER GEORGE CUTHBERT Statement

STATION NAME: PETER GEORGE CUTHBERT
AGE / DATE OF BIRTH: 42
10021953

Who states:- This statement consisting of 006 pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

DATED: 121295
P G CUTHBERT (SIGNED)

I am a self employed suspended ceiling contractor and I am the owner of a company called M and A Suspended Ceiling which I run from my home address. I am the owner of a Mitsubishi Shogun motor vehicle index K2CUF. I have lived the majority of my life in the South Essex area mainly in the Basildon area and after I got married I moved to the Hadleigh area. I have lived at my current address for the past 3 years with my wife and 2 children. When I lived in Basildon I got to know a man called Pat TATE who also lived in the Basildon area. This would have been approximately 12 years ago. I did not consider Pat a friend at this stage he was just somebody who I knew from Basildon who I could say hello to.

I saw Pat very irregularly and never socialised with him. All of my adult life I have been involved in body building training and have trained in a number of gyms in and around the Basildon and Hadleigh area. About 2 years whilst I was training at the Academy Gym, London Road, Westcliff I met two men who also trained in there Tony TUCKER and Craig ROLFE. I had never met either of these men previously but I was aware of Tony TUCKER because I had heard of him in conjunction with running the bouncers at night clubs in the Southend and Basildon areas. The reasons we started to get to know each other was because Tony was intending to buy a gym and he was asking if I was interested in doing work on the ceilings.

This work never took place. But after this I started to see both Tony and Craig on a social basis which included going to clubs with them in the Basildon or Southend area. This was not an occurance that happened every week but on the odd occasion. I think it would have been in 000394, Pat TATE came out of prison and he started seeing Tony and Craig and it appeared to me that Pat and Tony were quite close. Even when Pat came out I was still training with them and also seeing them socially. During the summer this year I did some work for Tony at his new house in Fobbing where I put a suspended ceiling into gym for him. I know that during 000095 Pat TATE when back into prison for firearms offences. I can't remember exactly when it was but I think it would have been in either 000900 or 001095 Pat was released from prison.

On the night he was released a big party was arranged for him at the Dagenham Snooker Club which I attended. Also at this party was both Tony and Craig. I can't remember anything out of the ofdinary happening at this party and I believe I left about 0200 - 0300 hours. This would have been the last time I saw any of the three socially. On the 151195 I went with Tony TUCKER to Eastern Garage Car Sales, London Rd, A13, Corringham which is actually situated at The Five Bells Roundabout. I was going to buy on HP a Range Rover motor vehicle Vogue index F424NPE. Although this was my vehicle and I signed for responsibility of paying the HP it was going to be lent by me to Tony and Craig for there use. In there a General Guarantee for Finance HP form was completed by a member of staff.

This form included my details and the details of the vehicle and showing a total purchase price of ten thousand nine hundred and nin

Interesting!  Have you got the other page(s)?  He said Tate's 'Coming Out' party was the last time he met with with the trio socially so was the TGI get together business? 

It seems to me he was being somewhat economical with the truth.  He didn't say anything about Tucker threatening Stephen 'Nipper' Ellis with a firearm. 

Why would anyone act as a guarantor on a loan for these characters and/or finance a personally owned car for their use, unless of course he was holding some security  8(0(*  Who eventually settled the loan? 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Chud

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #273 on: January 31, 2019, 02:09:38 PM »
I recall reading about this elsewhere and it wasn't what it seems or was contested in some way.  Anyway lets assume he did purchase a battery from Ron Parkinson's shop how does this support Steele/Whomes carrying out the murders?  The shop was based in Marks Tey.  The murders Rettendon.  Distance between the two places is 24 miles/28 minutes.

30/05/96 - STATEMENT of RICKY LEE SNELL

NAME: RICKY LEE SNELL
AGE / DATE OF BIRTH: 33 11121962

Who states:- This statement consisting of 001 pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

DATED: 300596
R L SNELL (SIGNED)

I am a friend of Darren NICHOLLS, who lives in Bailey Bridge Road, Braintree. I have been asked by Darren if I would look after a green BSA 350 motor cycle for him. The motor cycle had been left at another of his friends, and I collected it on Tuesday of this week, 280596, and brought it back to my house.

Today I showed it to DS68 Tim WILLS and DC2114 GURNEY and took the battery from it handing it to DS WILLS. I noticed that it had written on it in black felt tip pen the date 180995 and the three letters 'RWP', as if it was somebody's initials.

R L SNELL SIGNED
STATEMENT TAKEN PLACE:
TIME:
DATE: 300596
WITNESS TO SIGNATURE:
OFFICERS SIGNATURE:

Apparently the motorcycle shop mark / sign and date the batteries they sell to verify date of purchase for returns.
This is evident from the following statement.

31/05/96 - STATEMENT of MARIA MICHELLE STOCK

NAME: MARIA MICHELLE STOCK
AGE / DATE OF BIRTH: 18 15091977

Who states:- This statement consisting of 001 pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

DATED: 310596
M M STOCK (SIGNED)

I work as a salesperson at Ron Parkinson Motor Cycles, London Road, Marks Tey, Colchester. Today, Friday 310596 I have been shown a blue label replacement battery of the type we sell here, and some writing on its side, by DS68 Tim WILLS.

I am able to say that when we sell such a battery, we write the date of sale and the company initials on the battery for guarantee purposes. From looking at this battery it would have been sold on 180995. I cannot remember details of the person I sold it to, but from the handwriting on it I would have been the salesperson.

M M STOCK SIGNED
STATEMENT TAKEN PLACE:
TIME:
DATE: 310596
WITNESS TO SIGNATURE:
OFFICERS SIGNATURE:

Offline Chud

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #274 on: January 31, 2019, 02:37:50 PM »


Meantime here he is driving his Volvo  8)><( along the A130  @ 9.30 in insisting this is the route the Range Rover took at approx 6pm which he has no evidence for.  Afaik the only cctv footage amounts to Rolfe's Range Rover leaving Lakeside at 6pm.  So how can the Range Rover be at 2 places miles apart at the same time?  Moreover if Donna Jagger and Nicholls are to be believed the Range Rover left Lakeside at 6pm (confirmed by CCTV footage).  It then went to collect Tucker in Fobbing  (Donna Jagger) (and it appears to collect Tate at Basildon?).  It then went to the Halfway House near Brentwood where Steele joined the murdered trio in the Range Rover for forward journey to Rettendon/Workhouse Lane (Nicholls).  According to AA route planner the journey from Halfway house to Rettendon would cross over the A130 so where's the evidence for the Range Rover travelling along the A130?  Numerous routes exist and it may have taken back roads.  In any event if Donna Jagger and Nicholls are to be believed the Range Rover wound not have arrived at Workhouse Lane until just gone 7pm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlqpePQYnck

The A130 shown on the AA route planner did not exist in 1995. The main road through Rettendon close to the SoC was the A130 back in the day. Just for clarity, and not in Darren Nichols statement it is assumed that once Nichols and Whomes left the Halfway House for Rettendon, the Range Rover followed Steele to a pub called the Travellers Joy where Steele then left his vehicle and got in the back of the Range Rover. This assumption is based on Nicholl's statement that after the murders he picked both up at the entrance to the lane and Steele directed him to the Travellers Joy pub where they picked the vehicle up and left for home.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #275 on: January 31, 2019, 04:41:39 PM »
30/05/96 - STATEMENT of RICKY LEE SNELL

NAME: RICKY LEE SNELL
AGE / DATE OF BIRTH: 33 11121962

Who states:- This statement consisting of 001 pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

DATED: 300596
R L SNELL (SIGNED)

I am a friend of Darren NICHOLLS, who lives in Bailey Bridge Road, Braintree. I have been asked by Darren if I would look after a green BSA 350 motor cycle for him. The motor cycle had been left at another of his friends, and I collected it on Tuesday of this week, 280596, and brought it back to my house.

Today I showed it to DS68 Tim WILLS and DC2114 GURNEY and took the battery from it handing it to DS WILLS. I noticed that it had written on it in black felt tip pen the date 180995 and the three letters 'RWP', as if it was somebody's initials.

R L SNELL SIGNED
STATEMENT TAKEN PLACE:
TIME:
DATE: 300596
WITNESS TO SIGNATURE:
OFFICERS SIGNATURE:

Apparently the motorcycle shop mark / sign and date the batteries they sell to verify date of purchase for returns.
This is evident from the following statement.

31/05/96 - STATEMENT of MARIA MICHELLE STOCK

NAME: MARIA MICHELLE STOCK
AGE / DATE OF BIRTH: 18 15091977

Who states:- This statement consisting of 001 pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

DATED: 310596
M M STOCK (SIGNED)

I work as a salesperson at Ron Parkinson Motor Cycles, London Road, Marks Tey, Colchester. Today, Friday 310596 I have been shown a blue label replacement battery of the type we sell here, and some writing on its side, by DS68 Tim WILLS.

I am able to say that when we sell such a battery, we write the date of sale and the company initials on the battery for guarantee purposes. From looking at this battery it would have been sold on 180995. I cannot remember details of the person I sold it to, but from the handwriting on it I would have been the salesperson.

M M STOCK SIGNED
STATEMENT TAKEN PLACE:
TIME:
DATE: 310596
WITNESS TO SIGNATURE:
OFFICERS SIGNATURE:

Hi Chud.  Welcome to the forum.  I will send you a pm.

Interesting.  So the battery was purchased 18/09/95 and not 06/12/95 as Nicholls claimed!  I guess the RWP stands for Ron W Parkinson.

Unconnected to this case but it appears DS Tim Wills found himself under investigation on at least a couple of occasions. 

Numerous Essex police officers have been under investigation and to my mind they are not to be trusted:

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/4151797.detective-cleared-of-wrongdoing-in-pool-death-inquiry/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/548106/the-baloney-way-is-essex-for-huhne/

Every time an officer pops up with this case I google the name and I'm finding an alarming number have been under investigation. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #276 on: January 31, 2019, 05:41:50 PM »
The A130 shown on the AA route planner did not exist in 1995. The main road through Rettendon close to the SoC was the A130 back in the day. Just for clarity, and not in Darren Nichols statement it is assumed that once Nichols and Whomes left the Halfway House for Rettendon, the Range Rover followed Steele to a pub called the Travellers Joy where Steele then left his vehicle and got in the back of the Range Rover. This assumption is based on Nicholl's statement that after the murders he picked both up at the entrance to the lane and Steele directed him to the Travellers Joy pub where they picked the vehicle up and left for home.

I did wonder about that.  Are you saying the A130 as it appears now was in some way different back in Dec '95?  Anyway there's no reliable data about the Range Rovers last movements other than the sighting on cctv at Lakeside at 6pm.  I don't consider Darren Nicholls testimony reliable.

It seems the AA route planner came in to being for consumers around 1999:

https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline#routesgrowth

I remember geography lessons with pieces of string to work out distances! 

Are you referring to the Travellers Joy/Hungry Horse at Rayleigh?  It doesn't make sense to me why they would all go to Halfway House, Brentwood let alone then head over to Rayleigh before heading off to Rettendon. 

A possible avenue for Steele/Whomes might be some sort of computerized map plotting locations based on mobile phone data?  Also the phone data examined by a forensic document examiner to ensure what was produced by telecommunication companies and experts re cell/mast analysis wasn't manipulated by Essex Police.  It doesn't seem to me anything like this took place at trial?

Nicholls claimed he met with Steele at Marks Tey at 5pm.  This was then changed to 6pm.  Steele either made or received call on his mobile as follows:

16.39

17.12

18.03

18.09

I say:

SHOW US THE MOBILE PHONE CELL/MAST DATA
Bearing in mind Steele may well have made/received other calls too.  The schedules only appear to show calls relating to the case. 

I find it unbelievable this wasn't done at the time/trial, but if it was why is the case so contentious?  Surely Steel's whereabouts would be known and correlate with calls made/received on his mobile through cell/masts in locations that either support the defence or prosecution.

All these people were constantly making/receiving mobile calls so why is there so much speculation as to their whereabouts?  If the prosecution was able to produced expert evidence showing Whomes' calls to Nicholls at 6.59 put him in the Rettendon area then why can't we have the same data for all the calls showing the whereabouts for every mobile call made/received for 6th Dec for Rolfe, Tait, Tucker, Nicholls, Steele and Whomes?  The trail lasted weeks and cost a small fortune so I doubt it was a cost issue. 

Maybe I should write to Steele.  Just have to explain to my Pete why I'm writing to another Cat A prisoner (after Bamber)  @)(++(*  Is Steele in Whitemoor?  Does anyone know his prison number?  Perhaps I could send an email and that will avoid having to explain any return correspondence as Steele can reply via email albeit prisoners write a reply and someone scans the reply via email. 

 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Chud

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #277 on: January 31, 2019, 07:11:06 PM »
Hi Holly,

Yes the A130 or the road called the A130 is relatively new (post 1995). The old road that runs through Rettendon was the A130 in 1995 and gave up that name when the new motorway style link between the A127 and Chelmsford was built.

Yes the Travellers Joy / Hungry Horse. You're right it doesn't make sense for an RV at the Halfway House considering that the three inside the Range Rover probably knew of the final location anyway. I don't consider DN's statement reliable either, considering it was this testimony that eventually put the two inside is why I focus on this detail.

The times do change from 18:00 to 17:00. The first police interview Steele had it was put to him among other things that he had met with Nichols at 18:00. This was the initial timeline. At some point afterwards this changed to 17:00 or thereabouts probably because the overall timeline had no chance of holding water.

I have asked the same questions regarding the mobile phone data. There appears to be detail in only what fits the prosecution. The whole science of this initial data was questioned by an independent expert after the trial (probably for appeal) but was not overturned  for some reason.

In Nichols testimony he never mentions the calls to Whomes from Steele (17.12, 18.03 & 18.09) of which he would of been present at.


Offline sika

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #278 on: January 31, 2019, 09:55:46 PM »
Hi Holly,

Yes the A130 or the road called the A130 is relatively new (post 1995). The old road that runs through Rettendon was the A130 in 1995 and gave up that name when the new motorway style link between the A127 and Chelmsford was built.

Yes the Travellers Joy / Hungry Horse. You're right it doesn't make sense for an RV at the Halfway House considering that the three inside the Range Rover probably knew of the final location anyway. I don't consider DN's statement reliable either, considering it was this testimony that eventually put the two inside is why I focus on this detail.

The times do change from 18:00 to 17:00. The first police interview Steele had it was put to him among other things that he had met with Nichols at 18:00. This was the initial timeline. At some point afterwards this changed to 17:00 or thereabouts probably because the overall timeline had no chance of holding water.

I have asked the same questions regarding the mobile phone data. There appears to be detail in only what fits the prosecution. The whole science of this initial data was questioned by an independent expert after the trial (probably for appeal) but was not overturned  for some reason.

In Nichols testimony he never mentions the calls to Whomes from Steele (17.12, 18.03 & 18.09) of which he would of been present at.
Nicholls never stated that they met at 6pm.  He said he thought it was between 5 & 6pm but felt sure it must have been before 6pm as the shop was still open.



Offline Myster

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #279 on: February 01, 2019, 06:09:49 AM »
If you pat 'your Pete' on the head and give him a Bonio, he'll agree with anything you want to do!
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #280 on: February 01, 2019, 10:58:18 AM »
If you pat 'your Pete' on the head and give him a Bonio, he'll agree with anything you want to do!

I'm afraid he's not as a weak-willed as some  8(0(*
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #281 on: February 01, 2019, 11:42:40 AM »
So come the trial the battery (police interviews) morphed into a light bulb (trial) and his movements after work (police interviews) amounted to the car journey back to the Braintree area where he headed straight for the pub at Rayne and this then morphed into heading straight to the family home and no pub (trial).   8)-)))

The following is an extract from Judge Hiddens summing up of Steele's evidence under cross examination:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg511119#msg511119

From this it seems clear to me that the mobile phone cell/mast data wasn't made available for other phone calls.  I'm really struggling to understand the reason(s) for this?

Phone calls from the Sorrell Horse pub, Barnham were made at approx 14.30.  At this time Nicholls claimed he was en route to either his home in Braintree or the pub in Rayne just outside Braintree.  He had been working at or near Heathrow airport and travelled to Braintree/Rayne via the M25 and M11.  The nearest of these places to the pub at Barnham is Braintree which is 36.0 miles away/47 mins  Steele claims he was at home at this time - home being Great Bentley which is some 26.0 miles away/31 mins. 

Nicholls made/received calls on his mobile at 14.29, 14.52 and 14.56

Steele made/received calls on his mobile at 14.00, 14.11, 15.06 and 15.08

So the sort of evidence made available re Whomes' location when he made the calls to Nicholls at 18.59 would either support the defence or prosecution. 

The above is just one example. Also the phone schedules only appear to feature case related calls.  It's likely Steele, Nicholls and the others made/received non case related calls meaning even more data existed to plot their whereabouts.   

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #282 on: February 01, 2019, 11:56:29 AM »
Apparently it is referred to as cell siting  ?>)()<

https://www.forensic-access.co.uk/cell-site-analysis-forensic-mobile-phones/

Maybe I'm overlooking something but I think the cell site info obtained during the investigation/trial needs analysing for all calls and the info obtained, presumably by Essex Police, needs examining by a forensic document examiner.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Chud

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #283 on: February 01, 2019, 12:46:22 PM »
Nicholls never stated that they met at 6pm.  He said he thought it was between 5 & 6pm but felt sure it must have been before 6pm as the shop was still open.

Yes that's correct, it was the police (DC Shakespeare 17/05/96) interviewing Steele that made that suggestion.

I would ask you again Mr STEELE could you tell me the reasons for making any telephone calls that afternoon to Darren NICHOLLS and to Jack WHOMES (pause). If you didn't make any telephone calls to them could you tell me who did (pause). If you weren't in possession of your mobile phone on the afternoon of 061295 could you tell me who was (pause). Darren NICHOLLS as I've said tells us that he was working at Heathrow Airport when he had a telephone call from you asking to meet him at Parkinson's Shop at Marks Tey.

Darren NICHOLLS has told us that as a result of that phone call which wasn't unusual, he tells us he would do running jobs for you he would run around for you because he was an associate of yours that's the sort of thing he says he would ask you to do, sorry you would ask him to do. Is that true (pause). He says that he arrived at Parkinson's Shop in Marks Tey at about 1800 on Monday 061295. You arrived he says, or you were there in a Hi-Lux motor vehicle, I'm sure that DC NORTON could remind us of the number of that.

Subsequently, under oath (141096) Nicholls states

I went through Rettendon the latter part of 1995. I remember an occasion when I was there with other people, they were Jack Whomes and Michael Steele, I remember that day. I was at work that day, I was working at Sunbury on Thames, my mobile was with me. Michael Steele rang me that day, he wondered where I was and would like to meet me, we did not discuss where we would meet because I was at work, I agreed to meet him later on that day, at Ron Parkinson’s motorcycles, Marks Tey at 5 o’clock, I drove to Marks Tey, in I think my Golf Convertible, I have been to Ron Parkinsons before, it sells motorcycles. When I arrived I parked in the flats opposite, Mr Steele wasn’t there when I arrived. When I arrived I went into the motorbike shop, I bought something for my old motorbike it was either a battery or a light bulb, I then put it in my car.




Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #284 on: February 01, 2019, 12:51:57 PM »
From Afensis Forensics:

Cell Site Analysis: from undermining the alibi of IAN HUNTLEY in the SOHAM MURDERS,the reconstruction of the location of suspects in the famous ‘RETTENDON ‘RANGE ROVER MURDERS’, to the production in the recent ’21/7 TERRORISM TRIALS’ – CELL SITE ANALYSIS (CSA) evidence has become an essential tool for investigators of serious and organised crime.

https://www.afentis.com/cell-site-analysis/

But it seems to me the 'reconstruction' involved Whomes' location only at the time it is thought the trio were murdered.

What about Tate's location when he received a phone call from Sarah Saunders at 18.44?

What about the location of Nicholls throughout the day/evening.  Does the cell site analysis correlate with his testimony?

What about the location of Rolfe, Tate and Tucker throughout the day/evening?  Does the cell site analysis correlate with the trio being murdered at Rettendon between 19.44 and 19.59?

What about the location of Steele and Whomes during the day/evening?  Does the cell site analysis correlate with Nicholls testimony and the prosecution case against them?

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?