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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #345 on: February 12, 2019, 09:58:38 AM »
I believe Tate had another mobile which as apparently used at some time after 21:00 on the night of the 6th December 1995 to call a girlfriend of his (Clare / Claire). I believe this fact was used by Steele in an attempt to overturn the conviction at some point but it was thrown out. I don't know the full facts but believe it was ruled out because the phone wasn't with Tate on the night.. the exact details I'm unsure of.

I would like to know more about 'Clare' who appears somewhat of a mystery figure?  Donna Jagger refers to "Clare" in her WS as Tate's date for the Romford jolly up.  O'Mahoney basically reiterates this in his books but unlike all the other individuals he does not make ref to her surname or provide any detail whatsoever about her which leads me to conclude he had no knowledge of her.  Incidentally he refers to Donna Jagger as Diane Evans?  Maybe he agreed with DJ he would refer to her as such as she didn't want her authentic name in his books?

Tate had parted from his long-time partner and mother of their child, Sarah Saunders, and was in effect a single guy albeit a docu/drama records Liz Fletcher from Southend as being his then girlfriend.  As we know Liz Fletcher assisted with bringing the cash refund in respect of the dodgy cannabis back into UK along with 2 other women: Donna Garwood and Gaynor Hayzer.  Liz was also at Basildon Tyres with Tate on the day of the murders supposedly in connection with repairs on her car.  Can we be sure the trio were not using these women, who all appear to have much younger than Tait/Tucker, as 'drug mules'?

Was Liz Fletcher's VW Polo left at the garage for repair or did she drop it off there with a boot load of drugs?  Dealers/users would then go to the garage and take away their share reducing the risk of anyone being caught with a significant quantity.

Andrew Reynolds mechanic at Basildon Tyres said he saw the trio in the Range Rover 5 minutes after the garage closed at this time the Polo was still at the garage.  He agreed with Tate to leave the Polo on the forecourt with the key in the glove compartment.   Andrew Reynolds said he then had cause to drive past the garage later in the evening and noticed the car gone.  Who drove the car away? 

From the PDF I uploaded re 'Tucker's Firm' it appears the firm also run a brothel. 

It seems Donna Garwood was around 16 yoa with her 'boyfriend' Tucker 38 yoa.  Tucker it seems was in a relationship with Anna Whitehead at the same time.  Donna Garwood's brother describes his sister as "idolising" Tucker who apparently spent a lot of money on Donna.  It also appears Tate/Tucker used a landline (property?) in Donna Garwood's name.  Was this some sort of 'safe house'/brothel?  This landline had a number of 'alarm' calls to Tate.  Were the alarm calls used to summon the heavy if things got out of hand?

Did Donna Jagger go to Lakeside to buy herself a new outfit or did she carry out some sort of drug deal?

Rolfe, Tate and Tucker were all known to the police and it would obviously have been high risk to carry around on their person/cars/homes drugs beyond a quantity for 'own use'.  What better way to distribute than by a network of trusty young women who they could control. 

Donna Jagger states in her WS she did not like Rolfe getting too involved and this is the reason she didn't go to Holland/Belgium to collect the cash and yet on the other hand she accompanied Rolfe on drug deals eg to North London to exchange drugs/money with a "coloured man" referred to as Gary. On another occasion her and Rolfe met with Steele at Tucker's stables to exchange drugs/money.  She also had drugs in the family home despite having a 6/7 yoa daughter.  Donna Jagger was a similar age to Rolfe 27 yoa I believe. 
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #346 on: February 12, 2019, 10:34:48 AM »
From one of the narrated vids it also appears pre-murders Donna Jagger was due to give a WS to the police.  I've no idea what this was in connection with but it might have been the death of Kevin Whittaker:

The macabre death of known drug dealer Kevin Whittaker was widely
ascribed to Tucker and Rolfe. Tate was in hospital at the time of his
death having been shot by Ellis. Tucker and Rolfe were questioned by
police along with Rolfe's girlfriend Donna Jagger. Whittaker had
supplied 'The firm' with a large quantity of drugs and they had
decided they were big enough not to pay him for them.


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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #347 on: February 12, 2019, 11:09:19 AM »
What evidence exists re a plane drop of cocaine other than the WS/testimony of Donna Jagger and Nicholls?  Is it possible this is a scenario dreamt up by EP who subsequently put it to Nicholls and Donna Jagger both of whom it seems to me had much to gain by assisting EP.

Nicholls was into it up to his neck and the police may have made all sorts of direct or indirect threats to Donna Jagger re confiscating property in connection with proceeds of crime which may or may not have had some basis in law. 
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Offline Holly Goodhead

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #349 on: February 12, 2019, 03:15:09 PM »
It appears Tucker's 'girlfriend' Donna Garwood was born 1978 and Tate's 'girlfriend' Liz Fletcher 1976.  Tucker/Tate born 1957/58 respectively.

Liz Fletcher:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbU9u5E8RVc

At the end of the above vid the narrator holds up a WS from Donna Garwood's brother re his concerns over her relationship with Tucker.

Tucker it seems was also in a relationship with Anna Whitehead who it appears was director of a company.  The address given was Tucker's home in Fobbing:

 https://www.companydirectorcheck.com/anna-whitehead-5

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #350 on: February 12, 2019, 03:46:03 PM »
We could waste countless hours on all this but it seems to me the upshot is as follows:

I have no idea whether Steele/Whomes are responsible.  I'm inclined to think not for a variety of reasons.  In any event as far as I can see the only way forward for the pair with regard to an appeal is to have all the phone evidence reviewed.

In terms of who was responsible, if not Steele/Whomes, I stand by an earlier post re the death of John Marshall coming only hours after Nicholls revelations about the illegal activities of police officers.  Imo this was probably more than Bird and Stimpson and involved senior ranking police officers within Essex Police and possibly other police forces eg MET.  What better way to silence Nicholls forever and a day than make him a supergrass with a new id.

As we know John Marshall sold a car to Kenneth Noye with false papers.  Some 4/5 days after Marshall was found dead in his Range Rover, Noye lost the plot on Swanley roundabout and stabbed innocent passenger Stephen Cameron to death in broad daylight.  This imo was not an act of road rage and/or Noye losing face/his temper but fearful the net was closing in based on Nicholls' revelations.   

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #351 on: February 18, 2019, 11:13:34 AM »
Most posters here seem to be open-minded about this case. 

Here's a post from another forum where it seems the poster has made up his mind.  The poster claims the case is easy to work out and has declared "case closed".  It seem to me the only thing "closed" is the poster's mind!

Anyway here's the post and here are the counter arguments:

This case is being discussed on red for some reason. Its easy to work out.

Patrick Tate and Tony Tucker were planning or at least threatning to kill Steele (Patricks girlfriend testified this at trial). So Steele engineered a trap to lure them into Rettondon under false pretences then kill them.

WRONG.  Tate made comments to his former partner/mother to his child, Sarah Saunders (SS), about sending Steele up North and he would not be coming back.  He did not elaborate on this.  There's no evidence Tucker ever made any direct or indirect threats about Steele.  SS told the court what I have just stated.  She also told the court when she called at 18.44 had Tate have been with Steele he would have said as much since SS was good friends with Steele and his long-term partner Jackie Street but he didn't instead he said he was with some people. You can read her police interview here where it seems the police ask very leading questions:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg508994#msg508994

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg508996#msg508996

There's no independent evidence Steele engineered a trap to lure them to Rettendon.


Patrick, Tony and Rolfe suddenly liked Steele as he had promised them riches. We know this because Craig Rolfe was so exited about it he couldn't keep his mouth shut and told his girlfriend.

Steele had a long criminal past and a previous conviction for importing cannabis (class B).  There's no evidence he ever dealt in class A/cocaine and/or was ever aggressive/violent.  Rolfe's long-term partner/mother to his child, Donna Jaggers (DJ) made a tearful appeal for info a day or so after the murders Dec '95.  If Rolfe told her he was off to meet 'Micky the pilot' to check out a site for a plane drop of cocaine then why did it take the police so long to arrest Steele?  Why did she only include this info in a WS some 3 months post murders?  If the police suspected Steele surely they would have him under surveillance and such like?  And yet he was able to get away with importing cannabis during Apr and May '96.  It was only following Nicholls arrest in May '96 when he was caught with a large quantity of cannabis in his car that Steele was subsequently arrested following Nicholls revelations.

Here is what Craig Rolfe's girlfriend told the police BEFORE Darren Nichols was even thought of by the police.

"I understood that STEELE had been asked by a London based drugs firm to import 30 kilos of Charlie (Cocaine) and I believe that he was going to bring it in by plane from Holland. He had told Pat TATE that he was going to be given fifty thousand pounds as an up front payment to take to Holland and he was going to bring the Charlie back in company with a member of the London firm.

"The idea was that Pat TATE and Tony TUCKER would rob the firm of the Charlie when it arrived over here. STEELE had stated that he wanted to share it between them and had told the firm that he was going to land near to Clacton. Craig told me that STEELE was planning to actually land in South Essex but I never knew exactly where this was likely to be. Craig, Tony and Pat had previously obtained a machine gun from a man called Mad Mick BOWMAN and the details of this are subject of a previous statement."

Since when is something factually correct on the basis of someone's say so?   Most people usually require corroborating evidence to believe something.

This is how Steele ended up on the police radar. Not Darren Nichols. Notice how Patricks GF fails to mention Wholmes and Nicholls. Thats because Steele would not mention their involment to Patrick because Wholmes part is to shoot them and Nicholls being the getaway driver. Once they focused on Steele, they then homed in on Nicholls as he worked for Steele's drug business and was the weakest link.

If Steele was on the police radar and not Nicholls then how come Steele wasn't caught red handed in his RIB offloading cannabis in Apr and May '96 and yet Nicholls was caught red handed with cannabis in his boot?

And so, Patrick Tate, Tony Tucker and Craig Rolfe drive to the middle of nowhere (along with the guy they had not so long ago threatened to kill) in the middle of the night to plan/rehurse the robbery of the aircraft. Did Steele tell them it was best to do this at night to familairise themselves for a night time assault on the aircraft or were Tate and Tucker just stupid and too exited about the money?  I will let Craig Rolfe's girlfriend answer that question

"We were going out because they believed they were coming into money and they were going to have a pre-celebration. Craig phoned me at work in the afternoon and told me that Mickey STEELE had contacted Pat TATE and said that he wanted to meet with TATE and TUCKER to go and look at somewhere they could land a light aircraft."

WRONG.  The soc was not in the middle of nowhere: 

https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/51.64225,0.55855,16/pin

White House Farm sublet a building to a bailiff; Tucker had a debt collection business.  The farm shop sold hay and straw among other things; Tucker had horses.  So the location may have been known to the trio.  In any event it's hardly off the beaten track.  Where do criminals carry out illegal activities eg exchanging drugs/money?  It's just as likely the location was chosen due to its close proximity to a shooting range where the sound of gunshot would not be out of the ordinary rather than fanciful stories about plane drops of cocaine.

Friends have get togethers for drinks and meals it's called socialising.  There's no real evidence of a pre 'big deal' celebration.  The restaurant, Global Net Cafe, may have been chosen as it was an internet bar/restaurant which in 1995 was very novel.

No offence to a typical mid-20's Essex girl but how many would refer to a small plane as a "light aircraft"?   @)(++(*   Imo this is something Essex Police put to DJ who may well have had reason to ingratiate herself with the local constabulary.  She was due to be interviewed by police in connection with the murder of Kevin Whittaker.  I'm not suggesting she was involved but it seems the police suspected Rolfe and Tucker of involvement.  Furthermore her WS details drug deals where she accompanied Rolfe.  The police may have made threats re confiscating some or all her assets in connection with proceeds of crime.  DJ had a young daughter to support.

Most women do not get ready for a night out: shower, wash hair, style hair, make up and then go to a shopping centre for something new to wear.  She did not have time to carry out these things in reverse order.  It's possible Rolfe dropped her off at the Lakeside shopping centre not to buy an outfit but to carry out a drug deal with some females and that the police had knowledge of such and used this to their advantage.


When all is said and done and Nicholls pics up Wholmes and Steele after the shootings. Nicholls overhears two important details said between Wholmes and Steele in the car.

There's no evidence Nicholls picked up Steele and Whomes unless you believe Nicholls testimony which contains no info that he could not have acquired from others eg media, police and general gossip within local community.

One being that Steele got worried when Patricks girlfriend (Sarah) called him on his mobile when he was in the range rover with Patrick. We know this phone call happened and we know that Steele would be worried since Steele and Patrick both told Sarah they had it in for eachother. Thus if Patick had told Sarah that Steele was with him in the car, she could have raised his suspicions.

Covered above.  In short Tate said he was with some people and Sarah Saunders made clear to the police and court that had he been with Steele he would have said I'm with Mick who was a good friend of Sarah's along with his partner Jackie Street.  Police obtained mobile phone call evidence and could quite easily have imparted this info to Nicholls.  But lets not forget Sarah Saunders may well have told Steele and Jackie Street about the call who in turn may well have told Nicholls.

The other import thing Nicholls overhears from them is that Patrick "squealed like a baby". This also corroborated by the crime scene. Tony Tuckers body was looking straight ahead with his hands in his lap while Craig Rofle was also looking straight ahead, feet still on the pedal. They had been killed more or less instantly. Patrick on the other hand was found in the corner leaning in a fetal like position with his hands covering his face. Hence he reacted and "squealed like a baby" and who wouldnt in that situation? So Wholmes and Steele revealed things to Nicholls that only the killers would know. Nicholls testimony matches what Craig Rolfe told his GF also.

"Squealed like a baby"?  Which expert at trail said Tate "squealed like a baby"?  How would anyone know what if any noises the murdered trio made other than the person(s) responsible?  Nicholls saying x,y and z does not make it factually correct.  Nicholls was shown to be a thoroughly dishonest individual whether it be the crime he was convicted of ie counterfeiting or lying to his wife about working in the afternoons when in reality he was wiling away his time in the pub.  It takes a certain sort of individual to carry out pre-meditated murder, practically and psychologically.  There's zero evidence Steele/Whomes were capable of such. 

This is what happened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv1z844XDgc&feature=youtu.be

Case closed.


Or poster's mind closed?
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Offline Myster

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #352 on: February 18, 2019, 07:51:11 PM »
Most posters here seem to be open-minded about this case. 

Here's a post from another forum where it seems the poster has made up his mind.  The poster claims the case is easy to work out and has declared "case closed".  It seem to me the only thing "closed" is the poster's mind!

Anyway here's the post and here are the counter arguments:

This case is being discussed on red for some reason. Its easy to work out.

Patrick Tate and Tony Tucker were planning or at least threatning to kill Steele (Patricks girlfriend testified this at trial). So Steele engineered a trap to lure them into Rettondon under false pretences then kill them.

WRONG.  Tate made comments to his former partner/mother to his child, Sarah Saunders (SS), about sending Steele up North and he would not be coming back.  He did not elaborate on this.  There's no evidence Tucker ever made any direct or indirect threats about Steele.  SS told the court what I have just stated.  She also told the court when she called at 18.44 had Tate have been with Steele he would have said as much since SS was good friends with Steele and his long-term partner Jackie Street but he didn't instead he said he was with some people. You can read her police interview here where it seems the police ask very leading questions:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg508994#msg508994

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg508996#msg508996

There's no independent evidence Steele engineered a trap to lure them to Rettendon.


Patrick, Tony and Rolfe suddenly liked Steele as he had promised them riches. We know this because Craig Rolfe was so exited about it he couldn't keep his mouth shut and told his girlfriend.

Steele had a long criminal past and a previous conviction for importing cannabis (class B).  There's no evidence he ever dealt in class A/cocaine and/or was ever aggressive/violent.  Rolfe's long-term partner/mother to his child, Donna Jaggers (DJ) made a tearful appeal for info a day or so after the murders Dec '95.  If Rolfe told her he was off to meet 'Micky the pilot' to check out a site for a plane drop of cocaine then why did it take the police so long to arrest Steele?  Why did she only include this info in a WS some 3 months post murders?  If the police suspected Steele surely they would have him under surveillance and such like?  And yet he was able to get away with importing cannabis during Apr and May '96.  It was only following Nicholls arrest in May '96 when he was caught with a large quantity of cannabis in his car that Steele was subsequently arrested following Nicholls revelations.

Here is what Craig Rolfe's girlfriend told the police BEFORE Darren Nichols was even thought of by the police.

"I understood that STEELE had been asked by a London based drugs firm to import 30 kilos of Charlie (Cocaine) and I believe that he was going to bring it in by plane from Holland. He had told Pat TATE that he was going to be given fifty thousand pounds as an up front payment to take to Holland and he was going to bring the Charlie back in company with a member of the London firm.

"The idea was that Pat TATE and Tony TUCKER would rob the firm of the Charlie when it arrived over here. STEELE had stated that he wanted to share it between them and had told the firm that he was going to land near to Clacton. Craig told me that STEELE was planning to actually land in South Essex but I never knew exactly where this was likely to be. Craig, Tony and Pat had previously obtained a machine gun from a man called Mad Mick BOWMAN and the details of this are subject of a previous statement."

Since when is something factually correct on the basis of someone's say so?   Most people usually require corroborating evidence to believe something.

This is how Steele ended up on the police radar. Not Darren Nichols. Notice how Patricks GF fails to mention Wholmes and Nicholls. Thats because Steele would not mention their involment to Patrick because Wholmes part is to shoot them and Nicholls being the getaway driver. Once they focused on Steele, they then homed in on Nicholls as he worked for Steele's drug business and was the weakest link.

If Steele was on the police radar and not Nicholls then how come Steele wasn't caught red handed in his RIB offloading cannabis in Apr and May '96 and yet Nicholls was caught red handed with cannabis in his boot?

And so, Patrick Tate, Tony Tucker and Craig Rolfe drive to the middle of nowhere (along with the guy they had not so long ago threatened to kill) in the middle of the night to plan/rehurse the robbery of the aircraft. Did Steele tell them it was best to do this at night to familairise themselves for a night time assault on the aircraft or were Tate and Tucker just stupid and too exited about the money?  I will let Craig Rolfe's girlfriend answer that question

"We were going out because they believed they were coming into money and they were going to have a pre-celebration. Craig phoned me at work in the afternoon and told me that Mickey STEELE had contacted Pat TATE and said that he wanted to meet with TATE and TUCKER to go and look at somewhere they could land a light aircraft."

WRONG.  The soc was not in the middle of nowhere: 

https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/51.64225,0.55855,16/pin

White House Farm sublet a building to a bailiff; Tucker had a debt collection business.  The farm shop sold hay and straw among other things; Tucker had horses.  So the location may have been known to the trio.  In any event it's hardly off the beaten track.  Where do criminals carry out illegal activities eg exchanging drugs/money?  It's just as likely the location was chosen due to its close proximity to a shooting range where the sound of gunshot would not be out of the ordinary rather than fanciful stories about plane drops of cocaine.

Friends have get togethers for drinks and meals it's called socialising.  There's no real evidence of a pre 'big deal' celebration.  The restaurant, Global Net Cafe, may have been chosen as it was an internet bar/restaurant which in 1995 was very novel.

No offence to a typical mid-20's Essex girl but how many would refer to a small plane as a "light aircraft"?   @)(++(*   Imo this is something Essex Police put to DJ who may well have had reason to ingratiate herself with the local constabulary.  She was due to be interviewed by police in connection with the murder of Kevin Whittaker.  I'm not suggesting she was involved but it seems the police suspected Rolfe and Tucker of involvement.  Furthermore her WS details drug deals where she accompanied Rolfe.  The police may have made threats re confiscating some or all her assets in connection with proceeds of crime.  DJ had a young daughter to support.

Most women do not get ready for a night out: shower, wash hair, style hair, make up and then go to a shopping centre for something new to wear.  She did not have time to carry out these things in reverse order.  It's possible Rolfe dropped her off at the Lakeside shopping centre not to buy an outfit but to carry out a drug deal with some females and that the police had knowledge of such and used this to their advantage.


When all is said and done and Nicholls pics up Wholmes and Steele after the shootings. Nicholls overhears two important details said between Wholmes and Steele in the car.

There's no evidence Nicholls picked up Steele and Whomes unless you believe Nicholls testimony which contains no info that he could not have acquired from others eg media, police and general gossip within local community.

One being that Steele got worried when Patricks girlfriend (Sarah) called him on his mobile when he was in the range rover with Patrick. We know this phone call happened and we know that Steele would be worried since Steele and Patrick both told Sarah they had it in for eachother. Thus if Patick had told Sarah that Steele was with him in the car, she could have raised his suspicions.

Covered above.  In short Tate said he was with some people and Sarah Saunders made clear to the police and court that had he been with Steele he would have said I'm with Mick who was a good friend of Sarah's along with his partner Jackie Street.  Police obtained mobile phone call evidence and could quite easily have imparted this info to Nicholls.  But lets not forget Sarah Saunders may well have told Steele and Jackie Street about the call who in turn may well have told Nicholls.

The other import thing Nicholls overhears from them is that Patrick "squealed like a baby". This also corroborated by the crime scene. Tony Tuckers body was looking straight ahead with his hands in his lap while Craig Rofle was also looking straight ahead, feet still on the pedal. They had been killed more or less instantly. Patrick on the other hand was found in the corner leaning in a fetal like position with his hands covering his face. Hence he reacted and "squealed like a baby" and who wouldnt in that situation? So Wholmes and Steele revealed things to Nicholls that only the killers would know. Nicholls testimony matches what Craig Rolfe told his GF also.

"Squealed like a baby"?  Which expert at trail said Tate "squealed like a baby"?  How would anyone know what if any noises the murdered trio made other than the person(s) responsible?  Nicholls saying x,y and z does not make it factually correct.  Nicholls was shown to be a thoroughly dishonest individual whether it be the crime he was convicted of ie counterfeiting or lying to his wife about working in the afternoons when in reality he was wiling away his time in the pub.  It takes a certain sort of individual to carry out pre-meditated murder, practically and psychologically.  There's zero evidence Steele/Whomes were capable of such. 

This is what happened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv1z844XDgc&feature=youtu.be

Case closed.


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Offline Myster

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #353 on: February 18, 2019, 07:54:39 PM »
And was Tate really this arrogant and repulsive?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=derdTVk6Z2w

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #354 on: February 19, 2019, 10:30:24 PM »
And was Tate really this arrogant and repulsive?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=derdTVk6Z2w

This isn't one of your more considered posts.  I think you're being a touch judgmental and unfair. 

I appreciate his plain talking and the fact he's in touch with his primal side which he's not afraid to reveal  8)--))
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #355 on: February 19, 2019, 10:46:31 PM »
His former partner, Sarah Saunders, looks dignified at court.

https://www.rexfeatures.com/set/283616

She looks a bit like Cameron Diaz.

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #356 on: February 20, 2019, 08:01:38 AM »
Holly,

51.642250, 0.558556

This is the exact location give or take a few feet. The lane has been resurfaced and widened since 1995 so it doesn't look that familiar from the original photos.

https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/51.64225,0.55855,16/pin

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Chud

When I enlarge the above to max it shows broken and blocked lines along tracks/footpaths do you know what these denote?  Eg at the bottom of Workhouse Lane, near to where the Range Rover was found, it shows a broken horizontal line (2 x little pieces) and then if you go over the broken line and turn left it shows a blocked line (1 x piece)?
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Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #357 on: February 20, 2019, 08:26:05 AM »
Solid lines = Gates or former gates.  8((()*/

Broken lines = footpaths.   8((()*/ 
« Last Edit: February 20, 2019, 08:29:44 AM by Myster »
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Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #358 on: February 20, 2019, 08:29:40 AM »
Holly,

I think they denote pathways (the broken lines) and gates as Myster has pointed out.. Not sure whether the tracks / pathways are public right of way / official in some way

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Re: Could the Rettendon Two be a potential MoJ.
« Reply #359 on: February 20, 2019, 08:36:09 AM »
Holly,

I think they denote pathways (the broken lines) and gates as Myster has pointed out.. Not sure whether the tracks / pathways are public right of way / official in some way

Public permissive footpath and bridleway to be more specific.