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Offline pathfinder73

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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2015, 11:27:05 AM »
Thank you for starting this thread PF. An excellent idea.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2015, 12:10:07 PM »
Thank you for starting this thread PF. An excellent idea.

Thanks Faithlilly.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2015, 12:12:56 PM »

Panorama walk-out over McCann film

Why did TV journalist David Mills, the producer of a Panorama film on the McCann affair, quit the project before it was transmitted last week? The Observer's David Rose reveals the inside story of the latest row to hit the BBC's flagship show

David Rose
Sunday 25 November 2007 10.25 GMT

In the credits at the end of last week's Panorama special on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, one name was conspicuous by its absence - that of David Mills, the programme's original producer. His name had disappeared from the end credits despite the fact that it was his company, Mills Productions, that had done all the research and was responsible for bringing the exclusive footage at the film's heart to the BBC.

Two weeks before transmission last Tuesday, Mills - one of Britain's most respected documentary-makers, who in his 40-year career has made 120 investigative films for broadcasters including the BBC, Granada, Thames and America's CBS - walked out of the programme after a furious row with Panorama's editor, Sandy Smith, over the programme's approach and argument.

He then wrote a stinging email to the BBC attacking Panorama for losing its journalistic passion. It has created a stir in the media world, mixing as it does the controversial issues of the McCanns and how their story is covered, journalistic balance and television current affairs.

'I had written a draft script and had already been told it was compelling,' Mills said. 'Sandy turned up with a completely different version and basically imposed it on me. I told him, "I cannot edit the film to this: it's a completely different show, and I'm not going to do it." To have this happening is very depressing.'

The incident - one of several controversies Panorama has faced this year - suggests, Mills said, that 'the BBC is no longer interested in serious current affairs'. BBC sources confirmed last night that the decisions about the programme's shape had been taken 'close to the top' of the BBC management hierarchy - which has already conducted a series of internal meetings over how the corporation should approach McCann case coverage in general.

As one of those interviewed by Mills and the programme's reporter, Richard Bilton, I can attest to how different the programme shown was to what they told me less than a month ago that they were envisaging. Along with The Observer's Ned Temko, who has covered the case for this newspaper, I ended up on the cutting-room floor. At that stage - as Mills's draft script makes plain - his intention was to make an analytical, investigative programme that would have been very critical of the Portuguese police, not only for the errors in their investigation, but for their apparent campaign of disinformation designed to put pressure on Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. It would also have criticised both the local and British press over allegations that they recycled unfounded rumours with little sign of fact-checking or detachment.

It would, as Mills confirmed again yesterday, have scrutinised the various allegations that have been floated against the McCanns and concluded they are baseless: 'We had an investigative team looking into the story for weeks. Our assessment was that the purported DNA evidence was weak and inconclusive, while so far as we could tell the supposedly significant "discrepancies" between the stories told by the McCanns' friends about the night of Madeleine's disappearance amount to very little indeed.'

The original film would have compared Madeleine to the JonBenet Ramsey case in Colorado, about which Mills has made three previous documentaries. After the body of JonBenet, a child beauty pageant winner aged six, was found in her parents' Boulder home, they were vilified by the police and media, despite their continued insistence that they had nothing to do with her death. They claimed she had been killed by an intruder. Mills's version of the McCann Panorama featured an interview - eventually not used - with JonBenet's father, John, in which he said that the Colorado police 'did a great job of convincing the media and the world that we were guilty, but they couldn't charge us, because of course they had no case'. Years later DNA evidence proved beyond doubt that JonBenet had been killed by an intruder. John Ramsey told Panorama: 'It's a life-time damage. No question about it.'

The programme on the McCanns that was broadcast by Panorama was much less ambitious. It recited the case both for and against the McCanns, but had nothing harsh to say about either the police or the media. It did include new material, including a video diary shot of the McCanns in Portugal by their friend John Corner - footage that had been acquired by Mills and had led to his company getting the BBC commission.

It also cast doubt on some of the wilder claims published by the tabloids, and contained the first interview with Jane Tanner, one of the McCanns' companions on the holiday in Praia de Luz last May, who said that she was certain she had seen a girl who looked like Madeleine being carried in the street by a strange man around the time she is thought to have disappeared. But the programme avoided firm conclusions.

Having handed the film's editing over to a colleague, Mills emailed Smith on Monday, the day before transmission, saying he felt compelled to remove both his name and his company's from the credits. 'In part this is because its muddled structure and lack of narrative drive means it is far below the standard of any work that I or my company would wish to be associated with,' the email said. 'In part, too, my decision reflects the programme's intellectual impoverishment. The McCann case poses issues of real importance which Panorama should have examined. That it is instead running a laboured, pedestrian, extended news report is shameful.

'But the most important reason for my decision is that because the programme is insufficiently analytical it verges on the dishonest. Our lengthy investigation revealed that there is no meaningful evidence against the McCanns... The real question must be how, without any meaningful evidence, the Portuguese police and the media in Portugal and Britain have been able to convince most people that the couple were involved.'

Mills had been working closely with a CBS team, which also used the video diary footage. They, he told Smith, had concluded it was 'ludicrous' and 'crazy' to think the McCanns could have caused the death or disappearance.

Smith emailed Mills back, accusing him of wanting to broadcast 'advocate journalism', and pointing out that the broadcast version did describe some of the allegations against the McCanns as 'tenuous, to put it mildly'. Smith said that, while it was true that the programme 'changed substantively,' this was because 'it is a current affairs programme and it was overtaken by events'. He added: 'To get Jane Tanner and some of the McCann family meant that some of the other stuff moved to the edge, and the original version was just not journalistically as important.'

Mills disagrees. 'So far as I can see, investigative journalism at the BBC is over,' he said. 'The broadcast script contains nuances that suggest that the McCanns still have a case to answer. The BBC should have had the courage to state that this is simply not so.'

Clarence Mitchell, the former BBC reporter who is the McCanns' spokesman, said Kate and Gerry were 'content' with the broadcast version and accepted that events meant it had to change. He said they had spoken to Bilton and told him they considered the film to be 'fair'.

Other McCann family members were less happy. John, Gerry's brother, whose interview was broadcast, said: 'It wasn't the programme that I was told they were going to make. They've made something very different, and I am disappointed, because I'd hoped the full story was going to be told. Nevertheless I'm pleased they interviewed Jane Tanner. She said she saw Madeleine being abducted, and we want people to remember that.'

The row follows controversies over previous films this year, such as a report on Scientology by former Observer journalist John Sweeney, in which he lost his temper and turned - in his words - into an 'exploding tomato,' and a story claiming that wi-fi technology might be harmful, which was denounced by some scientists as 'irresponsible'.

As someone who once spent a year reporting for Panorama myself, I know that no BBC programme is more closely scrutinised and, sometimes, fought over. The fact remains some of its most distinguished contributors, including Tom Mangold and John Ware, have left in recent years, and that it has been repeatedly accused of punching below its weight. Mills is not a marginal figure, and the CBS film with which he was collaborating was much firmer in its conclusion that the McCanns had to be innocent.

Last night the BBC hierarchy was closing ranks to resist Mills's arguments. Outside the corporation, they may not be as easily dismissed.

'Your programme verges on the dishonest'

From: David

Sent: 19 November, 2007 12:12

To: 'Sandy Smith'

Subject: credit

Dear Sandy,

As you know, in the end I felt I could not leave either my name or my company credit on the programme.

In part this is because its muddled structure and lack of narrative drive means it is far below the standard of any work that I or my company would wish to be associated with.

In part, too, my decision reflects the programme's intellectual impoverishment. The McCann case poses issues of real importance which Panorama should have examined. That it is instead running a laboured, pedestrian extended news report is shameful.

But the most important reason for my decision is that because the programme is insufficiently analytical; it verges on the dishonest. Our lengthy investigation revealed that there is no meaningful evidence against the McCanns. Our CBS colleagues concluded that it was 'ludicrous' and 'crazy' to think them involved and that ... 'the child was abducted'.

The real question must be how, without any meaningful evidence, the Portuguese police and the media in Portugal and Britain have been able to convince most people that the couple were involved. Yet while the programme drips innuendos against the McCanns, it does not put a single challenging question to anyone in the Portuguese police or to anyone in the media. This is truly astonishing.

David Mills

BBC  Television industry

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/nov/25/bbc
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2015, 12:31:13 PM »
I don't understand how an analytical investigation of the PJ's conduct in the case could have been made before the release of the files. It is intersting though that those screaming the loudest for Amaral's head over his supposed breach of judicial secrecy would have been supportive of facts under that very same law being revealed in this programme, albeit in a McCann-friendly narrative.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2015, 12:47:54 PM »
wow that sky news documentry is intresting he said  you could NOT see   the mcanns apartment  from the tapas  bar

Offline Brietta

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2015, 02:04:33 PM »
 
Way back in 2007 respected documentary makers among others were expressing concerns about the balance of the coverage being given to Madeleine McCann's story by the media: as if on cue verification was given that the programme envisaged by David Mills was altered to the extent he removed his name from the credits of the programme.

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Two weeks before transmission last Tuesday, Mills - one of Britain's most respected documentary-makers, who in his 40-year career has made 120 investigative films for broadcasters including the BBC, Granada, Thames and America's CBS - walked out of the programme after a furious row with Panorama's editor, Sandy Smith, over the programme's approach and argument. 
end quote

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/nov/25/bbc
 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2015, 02:15:51 PM »

Way back in 2007 respected documentary makers among others were expressing concerns about the balance of the coverage being given to Madeleine McCann's story by the media: as if on cue verification was given that the programme envisaged by David Mills was altered to the extent he removed his name from the credits of the programme.

quote
Two weeks before transmission last Tuesday, Mills - one of Britain's most respected documentary-makers, who in his 40-year career has made 120 investigative films for broadcasters including the BBC, Granada, Thames and America's CBS - walked out of the programme after a furious row with Panorama's editor, Sandy Smith, over the programme's approach and argument. 
end quote

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/nov/25/bbc

I'm sure it did nark Mills that he wasn't allowed to make the propoganda piece he had envisioned, I'd be narked too, though TBH the programme that was shown was still heavily weighted in the McCann's favour IIRC.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2015, 02:48:45 PM »

I'm not quite sure why those 'close to the top' who altered the programme to be made about Madeleine McCann's case chose to do so rather than go with the professional opinion of David Mills; which was based on the type of research on which he had made his name as a respected and renowned documentary maker.

I think they made a grave error in not continuing with the original concept and I think Mills was correct to defend his professional reputation and his integrity by removing his name.


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The incident - one of several controversies Panorama has faced this year - suggests, Mills said, that 'the BBC is no longer interested in serious current affairs'. BBC sources confirmed last night that the decisions about the programme's shape had been taken 'close to the top' of the BBC management hierarchy - which has already conducted a series of internal meetings over how the corporation should approach McCann case coverage in general. end quote
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/nov/25/bbc
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2015, 03:34:41 PM »
I'm not quite sure why those 'close to the top' who altered the programme to be made about Madeleine McCann's case chose to do so rather than go with the professional opinion of David Mills; which was based on the type of research on which he had made his name as a respected and renowned documentary maker.

I think they made a grave error in not continuing with the original concept and I think Mills was correct to defend his professional reputation and his integrity by removing his name.


quote
The incident - one of several controversies Panorama has faced this year - suggests, Mills said, that 'the BBC is no longer interested in serious current affairs'. BBC sources confirmed last night that the decisions about the programme's shape had been taken 'close to the top' of the BBC management hierarchy - which has already conducted a series of internal meetings over how the corporation should approach McCann case coverage in general. end quote
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/nov/25/bbc

Simple they are paid to do it. They are responsible for looking after the Corporations interests. Which interests may not necessarily be the same  the "artistic creative" producer.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline faithlilly

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2015, 03:41:37 PM »
It would appear the Panorama programme wasn't the only one that Mills was involved in which it was felt the producers weren't subjective enough about the focus of their documentary.

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682452/Broadcast%20Media
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2015, 05:49:40 PM »

What wasn't yet evident in 2007 to the majority of people who had been subjected to headlines such as ...

Daily Express ... DNA PUTS PARENTS IN FRAME

Daily Express ... WE CAN PROVE PARENTS DID IT

Daily Mirror ... DID YOU KILL HER BY ACCIDENT?

 ... was that it was all based on a campaign of deliberate media manipulation controlled by a 'source close to the investigation' and designed to cast Madeleine McCann's parents in the worst possible light.

The success of which is attested to the beliefs held by some up to the present day ... perhaps if the PANORAMA programme had been allowed to plough a straight furrow ... many more people could have been alerted at a much earlier date to the nature and intent of the misinformation which had flooded the headlines.

It seems no dissenting voices were to escape "the cutting room floor" so is it any wonder people weren't being given information and the opportunity to judge it for themselves?

quote
As one of those interviewed by Mills and the programme's reporter, Richard Bilton, I can attest to how different the programme shown was to what they told me less than a month ago that they were envisaging. Along with The Observer's Ned Temko, who has covered the case for this newspaper, I ended up on the cutting-room floor. At that stage - as Mills's draft script makes plain - his intention was to make an analytical, investigative programme that would have been very critical of the Portuguese police, not only for the errors in their investigation, but for their apparent campaign of disinformation designed to put pressure on Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. It would also have criticised both the local and British press over allegations that they recycled unfounded rumours with little sign of fact-checking or detachment.
end quote
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/nov/25/bbc
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2015, 06:21:09 PM »
From the Guardian article linked:

Clarence Mitchell, the former BBC reporter who is the McCanns' spokesman, said Kate and Gerry were 'content' with the broadcast version and accepted that events meant it had to change. He said they had spoken to Bilton and told him they considered the film to be 'fair'.

How does one square that then?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Lyall

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Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2015, 07:40:11 PM »
What wasn't yet evident in 2007 to the majority of people who had been subjected to headlines such as ...

Daily Express ... DNA PUTS PARENTS IN FRAME

Daily Express ... WE CAN PROVE PARENTS DID IT

Daily Mirror ... DID YOU KILL HER BY ACCIDENT?

 ... was that it was all based on a campaign of deliberate media manipulation controlled by a 'source close to the investigation' and designed to cast Madeleine McCann's parents in the worst possible light.

The success of which is attested to the beliefs held by some up to the present day ... perhaps if the PANORAMA programme had been allowed to plough a straight furrow ... many more people could have been alerted at a much earlier date to the nature and intent of the misinformation which had flooded the headlines.

It seems no dissenting voices were to escape "the cutting room floor" so is it any wonder people weren't being given information and the opportunity to judge it for themselves?

quote
As one of those interviewed by Mills and the programme's reporter, Richard Bilton, I can attest to how different the programme shown was to what they told me less than a month ago that they were envisaging. Along with The Observer's Ned Temko, who has covered the case for this newspaper, I ended up on the cutting-room floor. At that stage - as Mills's draft script makes plain - his intention was to make an analytical, investigative programme that would have been very critical of the Portuguese police, not only for the errors in their investigation, but for their apparent campaign of disinformation designed to put pressure on Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. It would also have criticised both the local and British press over allegations that they recycled unfounded rumours with little sign of fact-checking or detachment.
end quote
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/nov/25/bbc

ITV (Tonight with Trevor Macdonald) had already shown programmes doing exactly what Mills wanted before Panorama was transmitted.

Offline Brietta

Re: Documentaries & Articles for Discussion
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2015, 07:46:44 PM »
From the Guardian article linked:

Clarence Mitchell, the former BBC reporter who is the McCanns' spokesman, said Kate and Gerry were 'content' with the broadcast version and accepted that events meant it had to change. He said they had spoken to Bilton and told him they considered the film to be 'fair'.

How does one square that then?

Comparatively speaking it wan't on a par with the utter rubbish they had become familiar with and was probably quite a refreshing little break for them.

It was also publicity welcomed by a couple who were determined to keep Madeleine McCann and her plight in the public domain ... something which was the last thing on the minds of the people responsible for the misinformation being produced day and daily trying to convince that Madeleine was dead.

Their aim of promoting Madeleine's case was met and her parents would be happy with that ... but it is worth noting that the programme which people were told was being made was not the one broadcast ... and not everyone was content with that ... nor should they have been.

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Other McCann family members were less happy. John, Gerry's brother, whose interview was broadcast, said: 'It wasn't the programme that I was told they were going to make. They've made something very different, and I am disappointed, because I'd hoped the full story was going to be told. Nevertheless I'm pleased they interviewed Jane Tanner. She said she saw Madeleine being abducted, and we want people to remember that.'
end quote
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/nov/25/bbc
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....