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[misty]

On this I agree with you Alfie. So why did she not check that Jane hadn't heard Madeleine cry and taken her into her apartment ? A long shot maybe but no longer than believing she was in a cupboard.

How would Jane have heard Madeleine crying if the window was closed? Jane's path back to her own apartment didn't take her within 20m of Madeleine's bedroom window. Then there was the passing traffic on that main road.

[misty]

Don't you think ROB would have mentioned, after returning to the dining table,  if JT had taken Madeleine into 5D after she'd heard her crying whilst distantly passing the apartment via the carpark?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm
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Between 15 to 20 minutes later her husband ROB and MO left, together, and went to see their respective children. As her daughter Ev was restless and crying ROB stayed in the bedroom.


  Meanwhile, MO went to check his children and those of GM and KH. According to what he said, he saw the twins but he did not see MBM probably because he did not enter the bedroom. As he heard no noise he left presupposing that all was well, returning to the restaurant. MO told her that ROB had stayed in the bedroom.

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  After having quickly eaten the main course she went to the apartment to take the place of her husband so that he could finish his meal. Her husband returned to the restaurant. Some time later, she doesn't know precisely how long, she looked through the lounge window towards the restaurant area, ascertaining, strangely, that there was no-one seated at the table it being that it was still very early for all of them to have already finished the meal.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Don't you think ROB would have mentioned, after returning to the dining table,  if JT had taken Madeleine into 5D after she'd heard her crying whilst distantly passing the apartment via the carpark?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm
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Between 15 to 20 minutes later her husband ROB and MO left, together, and went to see their respective children. As her daughter Ev was restless and crying ROB stayed in the bedroom.


  Meanwhile, MO went to check his children and those of GM and KH. According to what he said, he saw the twins but he did not see MBM probably because he did not enter the bedroom. As he heard no noise he left presupposing that all was well, returning to the restaurant. MO told her that ROB had stayed in the bedroom.

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  After having quickly eaten the main course she went to the apartment to take the place of her husband so that he could finish his meal. Her husband returned to the restaurant. Some time later, she doesn't know precisely how long, she looked through the lounge window towards the restaurant area, ascertaining, strangely, that there was no-one seated at the table it being that it was still very early for all of them to have already finished the meal.

Yes, if JT had taken crying Maddie someone owuld have mentioned it  but well we don't know  what actually happened do we?

All the abductors and parents passing each other- missing each other, it is just too incredible... Brothers Grimm would make this a best seller.

[Lace]

There is no evidence of open window. Only Kate said ...

what rational person who knew right away would look in cupboards for an abducted child in the arms of an abductor? how big was this supposed cupboard?  even more worrying are you suggesting the alledged abductor a dwarf?
...and to polish of your previous daft claim IF they could see and hear people at the apartment; why did Kate not just say "oh look  Maddie has been abducted come here right away and someone call the police". Too easy? what one are you going for?

Kate looked in the cupboards as she said she thought she might find her cowering in one of them,  as in hiding from the abductor.

[slartibartfast]

Kate looked in the cupboards as she said she thought she might find her cowering in one of them,  as in hiding from the abductor.

Really?

[Alfred R Jones]

On this I agree with you Alfie. So why did she not check that Jane hadn't heard Madeleine cry and taken her into her apartment ? A long shot maybe but no longer than believing she was in a cupboard.

It wouldn't have occurred to me in such a panic situation, but I can't speak for Kate.  thinking logically, if Jane had heard Madeleine cry she would have gone straight back to the table to let her parents know, not remove the child from her bedroom without telling her parents, that's why it would never have occurred to me to have been a possibility.

[faithlilly]

How would Jane have heard Madeleine crying if the window was closed? Jane's path back to her own apartment didn't take her within 20m of Madeleine's bedroom window. Then there was the passing traffic on that main road.

As you say misty, Kate would have been frantic. Do you really think she would have gone through in her mind all the points above ( passing traffic ? ) or just hoped against hope that Tanner had, somehow, taken Madeleine into her own apartment ? I know that I wouldn't be able to accept that  my child had been abducted until I had explored all possible reasons for her disappearance, no matter how unlikely.

[Alfred R Jones]

As you say misty, Kate would have been frantic. Do you really think she would have gone through in her mind all the points above ( passing traffic ? ) or just hoped against hope that Tanner had, somehow, taken Madeleine into her own apartment ? I know that I wouldn't be able to accept that  my child had been abducted until I had explored all possible reasons for her disappearance, no matter how unlikely.

Why are you being selective about what may and may not have gone through Kate's mind?  There are no rights and wrongs about what should and should not go through your mind when you are in a blind panic. 

[Benice]

Why are you being selective about what may and may not have gone through Kate's mind?  There are no rights and wrongs about what should and should not go through your mind when you are in a blind panic.

Agreed.

IMO  - Whichever way Kate had decided to raise the alarm - it goes without saying that it would automatically be seen as the wrong way - according to sceptics. 

Finding fault with every move she makes has been the standard response by some people since day one - no matter how irrational that reaction may be.     If she'd shouted from the balcony - no doubt there would be posts asking why on earth she didn't run straight to her husband - only a few seconds away.

Just another McCann bashing exercise IMO.

[faithlilly]

Why are you being selective about what may and may not have gone through Kate's mind?  There are no rights and wrongs about what should and should not go through your mind when you are in a blind panic.

Can you really believe she would have been rational enough to think ' well Jane was at least 20 metres from our window when she did her check and what with the traffic...... ?

No, neither do I. She would have checked while hoping against hope.

[Alfred R Jones]

Can you really believe she would have been rational enough to think ' well Jane was at least 20 metres from our window when she did her check and what with the traffic...... ?

No, neither do I. She would have checked while hoping against hope.

You don't think she was rational enough to think Jane wouldn't have heard Madeleine crying from 20 metres away but you DO think she was rational enough to think Jane may have heard her crying and took her from the apartment?

How does that work then..? &%+((£

[Brietta]

Agreed.

IMO  - Whichever way Kate had decided to raise the alarm - it goes without saying that it would automatically be seen as the wrong way - according to sceptics. 

Finding fault with every move she makes has been the standard response by some people since day one - no matter how irrational that reaction may be.     If she'd shouted from the balcony - no doubt there would be posts asking why on earth she didn't run straight to her husband - only a few seconds away.

Just another McCann bashing exercise IMO.

No-one knows how one will react in an emergency situation when sheer panic takes over.

For example there are many instances of mothers running out of a burning building leaving their children inside before the realisation hits them and they turn and run back in.

There is no right and no wrong to Kate McCann's reaction on discovering the bedroom window open and her daughter missing.  The only thing I can state with a certainty about what my reaction would have been given the same scenario ... is that I would immediately have jumped to exactly the same conclusion she did ... that there had been an intruder who had taken my daughter.
I cannot begin to imagine the actual horror of that moment and would be of the opinion that an adrenaline rush would dictate reaction.

How anyone can castigate a mother in that situation is beyond me.  I agree that it is very much a McCann bashing exercise which in my opinion is as irrational as all the rest.

[stephen25000]

No-one knows how one will react in an emergency situation when sheer panic takes over.

For example there are many instances of mothers running out of a burning building leaving their children inside before the realisation hits them and they turn and run back in.

There is no right and no wrong to Kate McCann's reaction on discovering the bedroom window open and her daughter missing.  The only thing I can state with a certainty about what my reaction would have been given the same scenario ... is that I would immediately have jumped to exactly the same conclusion she did ... that there had been an intruder who had taken my daughter.
I cannot begin to imagine the actual horror of that moment and would be of the opinion that an adrenaline rush would dictate reaction.

How anyone can castigate a mother in that situation is beyond me.  I agree that it is very much a McCann bashing exercise which in my opinion is as irrational as all the rest.

Yet again.

No independent confirmation the window was open before 10 pm.

The only identified fingerprints are hers.

[slartibartfast]

Agreed.

IMO  - Whichever way Kate had decided to raise the alarm - it goes without saying that it would automatically be seen as the wrong way - according to sceptics. 

Finding fault with every move she makes has been the standard response by some people since day one - no matter how irrational that reaction may be.     If she'd shouted from the balcony - no doubt there would be posts asking why on earth she didn't run straight to her husband - only a few seconds away.

Just another McCann bashing exercise IMO.

No, just another contradiction.

[Alfred R Jones]

No, just another contradiction.

What's the contradiction?