Have most people given up on finding Madeleine alive?

[Brietta]

The saturation coverage in the media at the time and the huge reward offered by the News of the World didn't bring any information in. The investigation in Portugal didn't find any clue as to Madeleine's whereabouts. The SY investigation hasn't, as far as we know, found any sign of where a living child might be. The amount of digging they did suggests that they were looking for a body.

I would be very surprised (but also very pleased) if she was ever found alive.

In the absence of any indicators to death ... a woof and a drop of foreign blood doesn't cut the mustard ... the assumption must be that a living child should have been looked for.

We know from Goncalo Amaral's book and subsequent celebrity television appearances etc that the investigation was concentrated on the Drs' McCann guilt from the 4th of May ... who on earth asks to see a priest under any other circumstance?? ... so who was looking for a living Madeleine McCann if not the PJ?

Explains why her parents had to become pro-active in looking for her ... they did believe she was alive at that time.

[faithlilly]

In the absence of any indicators to death ... a woof and a drop of foreign blood doesn't cut the mustard ... the assumption must be that a living child should have been looked for.

We know from Goncalo Amaral's book and subsequent celebrity television appearances etc that the investigation was concentrated on the Drs' McCann guilt from the 4th of May ... who on earth asks to see a priest under any other circumstance?? ... so who was looking for a living Madeleine McCann if not the PJ?

Explains why her parents had to become pro-active in looking for her ... they did believe she was alive at that time.

Gerry claims he and his wife asked for the cadaver dogs to be brought in. Why would he do that if he firmly believed Madeleine was alive ? Or indeed request that Daniel Krugel come to PDL.

[G-Unit]

Gerry claims he and his wife asked for the cadaver dogs to be brought in. Why would he do that if he firmly believed Madeleine was alive ? Or indeed request that Daniel Krugel come to PDL.

Do you have a source about Gerry's claim? something else i seem to have missed lol.

[faithlilly]

Do you have a source about Gerry's claim? something else i seem to have missed lol.

The claim came from Gerry himself in an interview I believe.

[Mr Gray]

Gerry claims he and his wife asked for the cadaver dogs to be brought in. Why would he do that if he firmly believed Madeleine was alive ? Or indeed request that Daniel Krugel come to PDL.

Gerry hopes madeleine may still be alive......he is intelligent enough to realise that she may not be

[stephen25000]

Gerry hopes madeleine may still be alive......he is intelligent enough to realise that she may not be

Tis a true  shame they didn't show 'intelligence' in the first place.

[G-Unit]

The claim came from Gerry himself in an interview I believe.

I can't take seriously a post which claims as fact something which is based only on the poster's 'belief' that it's a fact.

[Brietta]

Gerry hopes madeleine may still be alive......he is intelligent enough to realise that she may not be

There certainly was much more of a chance for Madeleine to be recovered alive in 2007.

Where this absolute rubbish emanates from that Danie Krugel equated with the acknowledgement of death is an absolute mystery.

He came over apparently at his own expense and it was hoped his visit would result in locating a living child not a dead one.

Given the marketing ... if you were the desperate parent of a missing child would you not have been anxious to give this man a try?


New technology finds missing persons
SABC News, December 08, 2004

The developers of a new system says their technology can track missing people anywhere in the country, and beyond, by using a strand of hair. The equipment and system used is being kept top secret in Bloemfontein, but parents of children that were found say it really works.

The inventors say they only need DNA to find a missing person. The sample, technology and an advanced satellite system is enough to ensure a successful search.

Pierre Honiball, whose missing 14 year old son was found after 2 days, says the system works. “Undoubtedly there is a way to find somebody with whatever he uses and I can tell you this is the truth he found Andre within 25 minutes.” Jos Chadinha's frantic search for his missing daughter ended 90 minutes after providing strands of her hair. “He found her ... and he found her simply using the instruments.”

The method is still under wraps. Danie Krugel, a spokesman, says more needs to be done before the system is made public: “We are still in the experimental phase, the final stages of the experimental phase; we are not ready now to put equipment into the market place, but it came so quickly, the successes, that it caught us off guard.”

Experts are skeptical, but it's too early to prove or disprove. The group is in the process of setting up a web page and a call centre to provide more information on their product.
http://www.daniekrugelfacts.com/

[G-Unit]

There certainly was much more of a chance for Madeleine to be recovered alive in 2007.

Where this absolute rubbish emanates from that Danie Krugel equated with the acknowledgement of death is an absolute mystery.

He came over apparently at his own expense and it was hoped his visit would result in locating a living child not a dead one.

Given the marketing ... if you were the desperate parent of a missing child would you not have been anxious to give this man a try?


New technology finds missing persons
SABC News, December 08, 2004

The developers of a new system says their technology can track missing people anywhere in the country, and beyond, by using a strand of hair. The equipment and system used is being kept top secret in Bloemfontein, but parents of children that were found say it really works.

The inventors say they only need DNA to find a missing person. The sample, technology and an advanced satellite system is enough to ensure a successful search.

Pierre Honiball, whose missing 14 year old son was found after 2 days, says the system works. “Undoubtedly there is a way to find somebody with whatever he uses and I can tell you this is the truth he found Andre within 25 minutes.” Jos Chadinha's frantic search for his missing daughter ended 90 minutes after providing strands of her hair. “He found her ... and he found her simply using the instruments.”

The method is still under wraps. Danie Krugel, a spokesman, says more needs to be done before the system is made public: “We are still in the experimental phase, the final stages of the experimental phase; we are not ready now to put equipment into the market place, but it came so quickly, the successes, that it caught us off guard.”

Experts are skeptical, but it's too early to prove or disprove. The group is in the process of setting up a web page and a call centre to provide more information on their product.
http://www.daniekrugelfacts.com/

Mark Harrison from the National Police Improvement Agency who was sent to assist the PJ at their request had a
poor opinion of Kruger;

Of most concern is the poor quality of his report which merely shows a google earth image of an area to the east of Praia Da Luz and includes open smb land, beach and sea. As Krugel was not prepared to allow the device to be viewed or provide any specification data of readings or equipment and the fact that no known device currently exists commercially or academically then I can only conclude that the information he has provided is likely to be of low value
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Danie_Krugel.htm

[faithlilly]

I can't take seriously a post which claims as fact something which is based only on the poster's 'belief' that it's a fact.

Then don't take it seriously, I have no problem with that. It was however discussed on this very forum at length.

Of course Mark Harrison sought the assistance of Martin Grime and his dogs, not the couple McCann.

[G-Unit]

Then don't take it seriously, I have no problem with that. It was however discussed on this very forum at length.

Of course Mark Harrison sought the assistance of Martin Grime and his dogs, not the couple McCann.

Of course he did. Well, he recommended their use;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

The other statement is your opinion only unless you can provide a link to back it up.

[Brietta]

Mark Harrison from the National Police Improvement Agency who was sent to assist the PJ at their request had a
poor opinion of Kruger;

Of most concern is the poor quality of his report which merely shows a google earth image of an area to the east of Praia Da Luz and includes open smb land, beach and sea. As Krugel was not prepared to allow the device to be viewed or provide any specification data of readings or equipment and the fact that no known device currently exists commercially or academically then I can only conclude that the information he has provided is likely to be of low value
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Danie_Krugel.htm

The one thing agreed by all concerned was a poor opinion of Krugel.

I still can't make up my mind if he is a charlatan or sincere in the effectiveness of his device ... maybe he is just another clairvoyant who hit upon 'science' to help him along.  Who knows?

But what I do know from his website and the information he puts out is that the Drs McCann did not want his assistance in finding Madeleine's body ... they wanted him to search for a living child who could be recovered.

To suggest otherwise is entirely wrong ... the Drs McCann wanted Krugel brought in to do what it said in his PR material ... and that was to search for and find a missing child.

[Brietta]

If you have a different opinion please feel free to make it known and perhaps provide a cite to back it up.

I have provided a cite on Danni Krugel and the service he was advertising which was finding missing children; if you know better ... bring it on!

[slartibartfast]

http://01universe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/south-african-crank-of-week-danie.html

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Danie_Krugel

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dont-trust-the-bodyfinder-511803

https://moonflake.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/danie-krugel-first-contact/

http://www.technovia.co.uk/2007/10/observer-retracts-danie-krugel-story.html

Now about that bridge?

[faithlilly]

Of course he did. Well, he recommended their use;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

The other statement is your opinion only unless you can provide a link to back it up.

Not the interview I was thinking of but this will suffice.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/23/ukcrime.internationalcrime