Have most people given up on finding Madeleine alive?

[jassi]

Should a Bus Driver be listening to the radio while driving children to school?  I think The McCanns can be forgiven for missing that possibility.

If it ever happened. Wasn't it a hearsay report of what somebody told somebody else?

[faithlilly]

Should a Bus Driver be listening to the radio while driving children to school?  I think The McCanns can be forgiven for missing that possibility.

So it's now the bus driver's fault is it ?

It was the McCann's choice to have the hearing made public. The least they could have done was to gently prepare the twins for the reporting that was to come.

[Alfred R Jones]

I too believe the McCanns care for their children although I do also believe, on occasion, self-preservation is their motivating factor. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive as you do. It does seem obvious though, from Kate's testimony, that the McCanns didn't sit the children down as you would to explain what was going on or Sean wouldn't have heard about Amaral's thesis on the school bus. A rather glaring omission I'm sure you'll agree especiallyy when they would have been aware because they were against the trial being held in camera that the media would be reporting on it.

So - are you saying that if the court proceedings had been held in secret the fact that there was a court case between the McCanns and Amaral and the reasons for it would not have been reported at all by the media?  Are you holding the McCanns responsible for any damage caused to the McCann children by Amaral's book?  Because it wouldn't surprise me a jot - blaming the victims is a typical trait of the McCann "sceptic". 

Do you have children Faithlilly?  If you did you would know that you can explain something to a child, hope and believe that they have understood it, but then subsequently realise that actually they haven't fully grasped what you have tried to explain to them in the best way that you could.  I'm not saying that is what happened here, but it's possible I suppose.

[Eleanor]

So it's now the bus driver's fault is it ?

It was the McCann's choice to have the hearing made public. The least they could have done was to gently prepare the twins for the reporting that was to come.

I expect that they did prepare the twins, don't you think.

And Bus Drivers should not be listening to the radio while driving children around.

And actually, I don't think it was the choice of The McCanns to have the hearings made public.  That would have been the choice of the Judge.
Unless you can prove otherwise, of course.

[Alfred R Jones]

I expect that they did prepare the twins, don't you think.

And Bus Drivers should not be listening to the radio while driving children around.

And actually, I don't think it was the choice of The McCanns to have the hearings made public.  That would have been the choice of the Judge.
Unless you can prove otherwise, of course.

Good point - do we have court notes on the McCanns' arguments for a public hearing?  They must surely exist if that is indeed what they were pushing for....

[faithlilly]

I expect that they did prepare the twins, don't you think.

And Bus Drivers should not be listening to the radio while driving children around.

And actually, I don't think it was the choice of The McCanns to have the hearings made public.  That would have been the choice of the Judge.
Unless you can prove otherwise, of course.

And of course you can prove it was the judge's decision. Can't you ?

[Alfred R Jones]

And of course you can prove it was the judge's decision. Can't you ?

Can you prove that it was the McCanns who fought Amaral's request to hold the proceedings in camera?  Most things that happen in court are the judge's decision, even the McCanns' power does not extend THAT far!

Proceedings were held up in Lisbon when Amaral petitioned to have the hearings held in camera, but that was rejected by the judge.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/12/mccann-libel-trial-opens

[Carana]

And of course you can prove it was the judge's decision. Can't you ?

Who generally makes decisions in a court of law?

[Eleanor]

And of course you can prove it was the judge's decision. Can't you ?

She refused the request made by Amaral's Lawyer, so she must have had something to do with it.  Or do you think that The McCanns are running that Court Room?

[faithlilly]

Can you prove that it was the McCanns who fought Amaral's request to hold the proceedings in camera?  Most things that happen in court are the judge's decision, even the McCanns' power does not extend THAT far!
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/12/mccann-libel-trial-opens

That's your proof, a puff piece in the Guardian ?

[Alfred R Jones]

That's your proof, a puff piece in the Guardian ?

  You really are priceless, a wholly predictable response.  Now, let's see YOUR proof that the McCanns control what goes on in court and twisted the judge's arm into making the trial a public one.  I await with baited breath...

[faithlilly]

  You really are priceless, a wholly predictable response.  Now, let's see YOUR proof that the McCanns control what goes on in court and twisted the judge's arm into making the trial a public one.  I await with baited breath...

I don't think for one minute the McCanns 'control what goes on on court' and have never said so. They could however have through their lawyer petitioned against Amaral's request. Do you have any proof they didn't ?

[Alfred R Jones]

I don't think for one minute the McCanns 'control what goes on on court' and have never said so. They could however have through their lawyer petitioned against Amaral's request. Do you have any proof they didn't ?

Do you have any proof that they did?  It is you making the accusation, you  prove it.  Of you go now, you  have contacts who made it their business to attend court, go and ask them.

[Mr Gray]

I don't think for one minute the McCanns 'control what goes on on court' and have never said so. They could however have through their lawyer petitioned against Amaral's request. Do you have any proof they didn't ?

celestial teapot alert....has anyone noticed how many sceptic responses are of this nature...sure sign of a lost argument

[Carana]

I don't think for one minute the McCanns 'control what goes on on court' and have never said so. They could however have through their lawyer petitioned against Amaral's request. Do you have any proof they didn't ?

Your original comment was this:
"And of course you can prove it was the judge's decision. Can't you ?"

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