Did Madeleine McCann meet the same fate as Aisling Symes?

[Angelo222]

It depends on how you interpret the Aisling Symes case.

I can explain how a near 4 year old got out of apartment 5A.

I cannot explain how a 2 year old gets down past a manhole cover that is 10cm ajar (2.5 inches) and it is natural causes.

Absolutely, but in reality they can be explained if you start digging deep enough. Aisling went down a manhole so the real question should be, who opened it and left it in such a dangerous state that a small child could slide into it?   As has been seen in the Symes case, cameras and all sorts of fancy technical equipment are not always successful.  There is no substitute for a digger and a shovel.

[insider]

The most remarkable backtrack ever for me was when Gerry McCann changed his statement as to how he gained access to the apartment on the night Maddie disappeared.  Initially he told the PJ investigators that he walked the long way round and entered via the car park and the front door of the appartment.  This later changed to he used the steps up from the street to the back patio and entered via the patio doors.

I can understand a minor lapse of memory but this was a substantial failure to remember important details.  When you look at this in the context of Maddie's unexplained disappearance from the apartment then several scenarios become very apparent.

we have two words for that and they are bum steer

[insider]

And the Met recently made a number of people arguidos because they believed Madeleine fell down a drain...? &%+((£

Keeps the public happy don't it?

[Wonderfulspam]

It depends on how you interpret the Aisling Symes case.

I can explain how a near 4 year old got out of apartment 5A.

I cannot explain how a 2 year old gets down past a manhole cover that is 10cm ajar (2.5 inches) and it is natural causes.

Open the window herself did she?

[Angelo222]

Keeps the public happy don't it?

Another two words would be damp squid.  As usual it came to nothing but then again that isn't a surprise to those of us who have followed the case.

[Brietta]

Children who fall into drains and come to harm are usually eventually found as happened in Aisling's case. 

The majority of children who fall into storm drains or sewers are recovered relatively unharmed ... unless the fall happens at a time when there is a torrent of water which washes the child away.

Even when there is water in the drain children have been known to survive long enough to be rescued ... and those who have been washed away are usually discovered at the drain outlet.

In Praia da Luz the drain outlets appear to be on the beach.

We are told there was a thorough search carried out for Madeleine McCann; if that is so, the drains will have been an obvious place to look either for a child who had had an accidental fall or for a child whose body had been deposited therein.

I do not think that Aisling and Madeleine's cases are compatible ... I do not think Madeleine was or is in a drain in PDL.

[Angelo222]

Open the window herself did she?

As you know very well WS, the only discernable prints on the window came from Kate McCann.

[Wonderfulspam]

As you know very well WS, the only discernable prints on the window came from Kate McCann.

Indeed, & it was only open on her say so.

Maddie couldn't have got out on her own, unless Kate & Gerry lied.

[Angelo222]

Children who fall into drains and come to harm are usually eventually found as happened in Aisling's case. 

Unless they are recovered you cannot say where they are which sort of destroys your claim.

[Angelo222]

We are told there was a thorough search carried out for Madeleine McCann; if that is so, the drains will have been an obvious place to look either for a child who had had an accidental fall or for a child whose body had been deposited therein.

I do not think that Aisling and Madeleine's cases are compatible ... I do not think Madeleine was or is in a drain in PDL.

Since they were looking for a paedophile abductor whom the McCanns claimed was part of some gang the resources were wrongly directed imo.  A cursory check of drains as complicated as exist in Luz just wasn't enough.

[Brietta]

Unless they are recovered you cannot say where they are which sort of destroys your claim.

Thorough searching of a place already searched found Aisling.  You saying the same thoroughness was not employed in the search for Madeleine McCann?

[Angelo222]

Indeed, & it was only open on her say so.

Maddie couldn't have got out on her own, unless Kate & Gerry lied.

Maybe the front door wasn't as secure as some would like us to believe.

[Angelo222]

Thorough searching of a place already searched found Aisling.  You saying the same thoroughness was not employed in the search for Madeleine McCann?

It took three searches to find Aisling and she was a mere three metres from the manhole.  What chance do you think any searcher would have in Luz??

[Wonderfulspam]

The most remarkable backtrack ever for me was when Gerry McCann changed his statement as to how he gained access to the apartment on the night Maddie disappeared.  Initially he told the PJ investigators that he walked the long way round and entered via the car park and the front door of the appartment.  This later changed to he used the steps up from the street to the back patio and entered via the patio doors.

I can understand a minor lapse of memory but this was a substantial failure to remember important details.  When you look at this in the context of Maddie's unexplained disappearance from the apartment then several scenarios become very apparent.

Someone will probably mention translation errors or sumink, but that anomaly is most definitely there....


'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statement might lead us to suspect a homicide. This is a lead that should be investigated.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html


'There is a report from Control Risks, the first private detective agency which was brought to the case [by the McCanns] in the very first days, where they state, after speaking with Gerald McCann and other witnesses in that group [Tapas 9], that the key that Mr. Gerald McCann alleges to have used had in fact been left in the kitchen, in the kitchen’s counter. Right away, the lies started.' (Gonçalo Amaral)

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Did the McCanns lawyers dispute this at the trial?

[insider]

It took three searches to find Aisling and she was a mere three metres from the manhole.  What chance do you think any searcher would have in Luz??

from what ive read the drains in the town are mega complicated and a nightmare to inspect properly