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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2015, 11:38:43 PM »
Any one is very welcome to join in ... you just have.

Not exactly a point for discussion.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #76 on: March 20, 2015, 11:41:06 PM »
Not exactly a point for discussion.

You've lost me there I'm afraid.  I haven't a clue what you are on about.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anna

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #77 on: March 20, 2015, 11:45:02 PM »
"When we arrived to Romania we noticed that children are of a bit darker complexion."

Had their original intention been to abduct a child in Romania?

It would appear so, Brietta.

Another link, badly translated but more photographs.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dd3_1426536275



“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Brietta

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #78 on: March 21, 2015, 12:39:44 AM »
It would appear so, Brietta.

Another link, badly translated but more photographs.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dd3_1426536275

The translation made me smile, Anna, I loved the description of the inspectors allowing the wee one to play 'Pepa Pig' on their computer (at least I think that is what it said).

Having had a good look at the photograph of Sandrin Goran, I don't think she looks like a woman who could be prevailed upon to do anything she didn't want to. I certainly wouldn't like to try.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anna

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #79 on: March 21, 2015, 12:47:59 AM »
The translation made me smile, Anna, I loved the description of the inspectors allowing the wee one to play 'Pepa Pig' on their computer (at least I think that is what it said).

Having had a good look at the photograph of Sandrin Goran, I don't think she looks like a woman who could be prevailed upon to do anything she didn't want to. I certainly wouldn't like to try.


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Offline VIXTE

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #80 on: March 21, 2015, 01:50:43 PM »
I think the rumour of Romanian plates is false.

I don't see how they would have taken time to change them after the kidnap. They are definitely French plates on the car.

I think I have seen the report that during the chase they stopped somewhere and changed the plates.

Offline Carana

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #81 on: March 21, 2015, 02:02:24 PM »
I think I have seen the report that during the chase they stopped somewhere and changed the plates.

Hi Vixte, trying to catch up and I have lots of questions.

If they had stopped to change plates, that would have been a very risky time, wouldn't it?

Has it been verified that the BMW actually belonged to them?


Offline VIXTE

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #82 on: March 21, 2015, 02:52:46 PM »
Hi Vixte, trying to catch up and I have lots of questions.

If they had stopped to change plates, that would have been a very risky time, wouldn't it?

Has it been verified that the BMW actually belonged to them?

http://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/1476891-otmicari-menjali-tablice-ovako-su-planirali-da-pobegnu-srpskoj-policiji

Here is the link to the article saying they stopped at a petrol station and changed the number plates. Then after that they changed their direction towards Zagreb.. this means towards European Union.

So basically they used Romanian plates when kidnapping the child.  That means they planned it all..

Thinking about this case I cannot stop thinking about the moments when Madeleine disappeared.

There were no witnesses, although the potentially there could have been witnesses who were not aware they were witnesses. There were no car chases and no border control checks.

And look how here they nearly got away with the child.. even though the police knew where they were and were chasing them..

What kind of motivation would lead someone to get away with a child?  I don't think the motivation has been established yet in Madeleine's case..but by watching cases like this unfold you get closer to the state of mind of these people.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2015, 03:00:05 PM by VIXTE »

Offline Brietta

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #83 on: March 21, 2015, 11:02:43 PM »
http://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/1476891-otmicari-menjali-tablice-ovako-su-planirali-da-pobegnu-srpskoj-policiji

Here is the link to the article saying they stopped at a petrol station and changed the number plates. Then after that they changed their direction towards Zagreb.. this means towards European Union.

So basically they used Romanian plates when kidnapping the child.  That means they planned it all..

Thinking about this case I cannot stop thinking about the moments when Madeleine disappeared.

There were no witnesses, although the potentially there could have been witnesses who were not aware they were witnesses. There were no car chases and no border control checks.

And look how here they nearly got away with the child.. even though the police knew where they were and were chasing them..

What kind of motivation would lead someone to get away with a child?  I don't think the motivation has been established yet in Madeleine's case..but by watching cases like this unfold you get closer to the state of mind of these people.

If the police hadn't acted immediately and perhaps if they hadn't stopped to change number plates - if one changed the front and one the back plate it wouldn't have taken too long - they might have got away with it.
I will be surprised if the car can be traced to them and there would probably not have been clear CCTV images of them, so once across the border they might never have been found.

They probably hadn't taken the immediate deployment of a helicopter into account which I think would have been able to monitor the vehicle from the air.  The police had the advantage of knowing the child had been taken in a car and had a description of the vehicle and I saw in one of the links you posted that they were traffic cops.

They were determined to abduct either that or any other child. 

The presence of the child's mother was no deterrent, in the event she was injured but I think these people ran the risk of killing her had she been dragged while trying to stop the car.

In comparison with Madeleine's case I think this abduction illustrates that if Madeleine had been targeted she would have been taken on the 3rd/4th May whatever the circumstances and whether or not her parents were in the apartment at the time. The absence of her parents only lessened the risk.

Normal people would never in 100 years be able to work out what motivates people like that.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anna

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #84 on: March 21, 2015, 11:08:46 PM »
 I wonder if there had been no witnesses in this case and someone to alert the Police, if this Mum would have been suspect also.
It is a strange world with too many strange people IMO.
More importance in personal, Financial gain than the life of others.

Where mum was walking with baby and shopping when attacked.......shopping on the road.
https://youtu.be/rM7mRKK1R0I

“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #85 on: March 21, 2015, 11:15:07 PM »
Appreciation for the job done, goes a long way. These guys really deserve it.

DECORATIONS Stefanovic awarded police officers for the arrest the kidnappers

With this action, Stefanovic said, we were able to prevent the tragedy and showed that Serbia will not tolerate those who try to steal our children.





http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Hronika/543294/ODLIKOVANJA-Stefanovic-nagradio-policajce-za-hapsenje-otmicara-male-Mase
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Poor Dad went through hell
http://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/1476326-gde-mi-je-dete-otac-otete-devojcice-u-ocaju-cekao-vesti-o-n[Name removed]
« Last Edit: March 21, 2015, 11:55:11 PM by Anna »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline VIXTE

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #86 on: March 21, 2015, 11:43:40 PM »
Appreciation for the job done, goes a long way. These guys really deserve it.

DECORATIONS Stefanovic awarded police officers for the arrest the kidnappers



http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Hronika/543294/ODLIKOVANJA-Stefanovic-nagradio-policajce-za-hapsenje-otmicara-male-Mase
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Poor Dad went through hell
http://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/1476326-gde-mi-je-dete-otac-otete-devojcice-u-ocaju-cekao-vesti-o-n[Name removed]

I can see in comments readers are very angry that the policemen were given awards.. They are all saying: this was their job, this was in their job description, they were just doing their jobs.. should you award anyone doing their job properly.. etc etc..

Offline Brietta

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #87 on: March 21, 2015, 11:46:37 PM »
Appreciation for the job done, goes a long way. These guys really deserve it.

DECORATIONS Stefanovic awarded police officers for the arrest the kidnappers



http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Hronika/543294/ODLIKOVANJA-Stefanovic-nagradio-policajce-za-hapsenje-otmicara-male-Mase
-----------------------------------
Poor Dad went through hell
http://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/1476326-gde-mi-je-dete-otac-otete-devojcice-u-ocaju-cekao-vesti-o-n[Name removed]

If ever recognition was deserved these officers most certainly earned it ... they did an absolutely brilliant job, their training must be second to none.


I think those parents' lives will be changed forever, Anna.

Mother and child must have been nearly at their doorstep when the little girl was snatched ... it will be a long time before she feels safe to venture out with confidence.  What happened is unthinkable.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #88 on: March 21, 2015, 11:53:01 PM »
I can see in comments readers are very angry that the policemen were given awards.. They are all saying: this was their job, this was in their job description, they were just doing their jobs.. should you award anyone doing their job properly.. etc etc..

True, they were only doing their job ... but they did it absolutely brilliantly and in exemplary fashion.  Soldiers only do their jobs too but if they do something spectacular they get a medal.

If something had gone disastrously wrong when they were rescuing the child, would the readers' comments just have shrugged that off too?

I'm sorry they feel like that.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anna

Re: Serbia. French kidnappers claim abduction was part of a paternity scam.
« Reply #89 on: March 22, 2015, 12:05:02 AM »
If ever recognition was deserved these officers most certainly earned it ... they did an absolutely brilliant job, their training must be second to none.


I think those parents' lives will be changed forever, Anna.

Mother and child must have been nearly at their doorstep when the little girl was snatched ... it will be a long time before she feels safe to venture out with confidence.  What happened is unthinkable.


I believe they may be taken for granted, by the people they serve so well, who some to think they don't deserve a medal.
The action taken, can only encourage their police to be the best possible. A lesson that could help other countries IMO
We have a very happy reunited family, but they will always be wary with their children outdoors.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato