Police urged to shelve Maddie hunt as cops needed in UK to battle terrorism.

[stephen25000]

Are you asking me to believe that no student taught by you has ever failed an exam?

No need to answer as I'm not really interested in your private life.    The point I am making is that if you believe you know more about chemistry than someone who has never studied the subject you should at least acknowlege the possibility that policemen know more about detective work than you do.    As it is - you flatly refuse to even consider they could be right and that you could be wrong IMO.   But you don't give any reasons.

We don't know what SY or the PJ have found in this case, because they haven't told us.

Angelo is entitled to his opinion, just as I am entitled not to share it if I don't agree with it.

Enough deflection benice.

What have SY found ?

[Anna]

I have just noticed what this thread...Is supposed to be about.

Does anyone really believe that the few cops who are working in Portugal would make a lot of difference to the battle against Terrorism?

When OG have exhausted all avenues of their investigation, without results, they will admit defeat and return, not before. IMO.
 On the other hand they may find the cause of Madeleine's disappearance and surprise a lot of people.

We know nothing of the results of their investigations due to secrecy laws. So unless you have a very reliable crystal Ball....................................................................

[Brietta]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11451779/Ibiza-to-be-patrolled-by-British-police-this-summer.html &%+((£

The Spanish government is currently negotiating the arrival of British officers to the island this summer and offering them free hotel rooms as part of the deal, authorities in San Antonio confirmed yesterday.

Up to 12 British police officers will be expected to patrol the streets in pairs alongside the Spanish civil guard.

Officials are hoping the British police will help provide increased security for tourists and locals, and intelligence on the Manchester- and Liverpool-based gangs who are said to dominate San Antonio in the summer.

Several drug dealers are said to pose as tourists and carry designer drugs in their suitcases.

"They are police officers who know the language and the idiosyncrasy of their compatriots," said Jesus Valdes, a Balearics-based government spokesperson.


   
“Hotel bosses have already offered these police free rooms,” Pepita Gutierrez, the mayor of San Antonio, said.

"The arrival of these officers, who will patrol with Civil Guard officers, will increase the security we want to offer both tourists and residents.

"It will also help local Spanish police concentrate on making sure by-laws like bar opening hours are adhered to so they don't find themselves overwhelmed by public order interventions," she added.

The new initiative follows a successful experiment carried out last year in Majorca where French and German police were called upon to do the same.

British police are said to have also been invited to work in the Majorcan resort of Magaluf this summer. Last year, the Balearic government declared it was aiming to transform the notorious resort into a “mature tourist destination" by introducing new curbs on [ censored word]ocial behaviour and an overhaul of hotels in a bid to attract a more upmarket crowd.

Ibiza has come under fire in recent years for several drug-related incidents, including a major raid of the largest gang of British drugs traffickers on the island in 2011. Thirteen people, including 10 Britons and two from Ireland, were arrested in a joint operation between the Spanish police and Britain’s Serious Organised Crime Agency. Some 3,600 ecstasy pills were seized, along with five kilograms of MDMA - a form of ecstasy - and four kilograms of cocaine. Also found were 69,000 euros (£60,000).

British holidaymakers were shown to be openly snorting cocaine on their balconies last year, in photographs and videos posted by locals on various social networking websites.

Alcohol-related incidents and fights are also said to take place regularly on the island. In 2012, the Foreign Office said many of the arrests involving Britons abroad were due to high alcohol consumption in popular destinations including Ibiza, Majorca and the Costa del Sol.
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How can the UK afford to send officers abroad to monitor Brits on holiday in the light of all the cuts?

What an indictment on Brits abroad that hoteliers are anxious to give National police free accommodation to keep us under control ... my shame and affront is only eased a little by the knowledge that other Nationals seem to be as bad as us.

While not averse to such an initiative in principle and being able to see at a glance the benefits of police working closely with colleagues in another country ... it is hardly indicative of a lack of resources at a time of alleged austerity and police budget cuts.

So why are all the complaints about expenditure centred on the Madeleine McCann case?

[G-Unit]

Should SY continue to investigate the Madeleine McCann case? Yes, if their remit is changed and they are allowed to investigate the case as they would have if it was their case from the beginning (and they learn a bit more about Praia da Luz and the Ocean Club - see another post about crecheman)

[Mr Gray]

Should SY continue to investigate the Madeleine McCann case? Yes, if their remit is changed and they are allowed to investigate the case as they would have if it was their case from the beginning (and they learn a bit more about Praia da Luz and the Ocean Club - see another post about crecheman)

Where your source for the SY remit...it may well be they are investigating an abduction because the parents had already been ruled out

[Anna]

What an indictment on Brits abroad that hoteliers are anxious to give National police free accommodation to keep us under control ... my shame and affront is only eased a little by the knowledge that other Nationals seem to be as bad as us.

While not averse to such an initiative in principle and being able to see at a glance the benefits of police working closely with colleagues in another country ... it is hardly indicative of a lack of resources at a time of alleged austerity and police budget cuts.

So why are all the complaints about expenditure centred on the Madeleine McCann case?

A very valid point there, Brietta.   And...On Topic.

[G-Unit]

Where your source for the SY remit...it may well be they are investigating an abduction because the parents had already been ruled out

My sources are always good, davel;

Op Grange Remit

The support and expertise proffered by the Commissioner will be provided by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command - SCD1. 

The activity, in the first instance, will be that of an ‘investigative review’.  This will entail a review of the whole of the investigation(s) which have been conducted in to the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

The focus of the review will be of the material held by three main stakeholders (and in the following order of primacy);

The Portuguese Law Enforcement agencies.
UK Law Enforcement agencies,
Other private investigative agencies/staff and organisations.

The investigative review is intended to collate, record and analyse what has gone before. 

It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter. Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process.

The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness.

The work will be overseen through the Gold Group management structure, which will also manage the central relationships with other key stakeholders and provide continuing oversight and direction to the investigative remit.
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

[stephen25000]

I see the daily mail readers have a sense of perspective on the views of the police as regards this case and resources.

 

[Mr Gray]

My sources are always good, davel;

Op Grange Remit

The support and expertise proffered by the Commissioner will be provided by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command - SCD1. 

The activity, in the first instance, will be that of an ‘investigative review’.  This will entail a review of the whole of the investigation(s) which have been conducted in to the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

The focus of the review will be of the material held by three main stakeholders (and in the following order of primacy);

The Portuguese Law Enforcement agencies.
UK Law Enforcement agencies,
Other private investigative agencies/staff and organisations.

The investigative review is intended to collate, record and analyse what has gone before. 

It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter. Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process.

The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness.

The work will be overseen through the Gold Group management structure, which will also manage the central relationships with other key stakeholders and provide continuing oversight and direction to the investigative remit.
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

so they will investigate abduction...see if an abduction is possible and likely,.... that involves interviewing and ruling out the parents

[Mr Gray]

So who has urged the police to shelve the Maddie hunt....more lies from the papers...swallowed by the gullible on here.

[faithlilly]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3001635/It-s-time-ended-search-Maddie-officers-focus-threats-public-says-police-union-chief.html

"Well said, the McCanns seem to have their own personal police force." (Yes votes 3,098, No votes 154)

"At least some sense at last." (Yes votes 2,579, No votes 131)

"Well...it's about time." (Yes votes 2,358, No votes 149)

Looks like many of the GBP agrees with John Tully.

[Alfred R Jones]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3001635/It-s-time-ended-search-Maddie-officers-focus-threats-public-says-police-union-chief.html

"Well said, the McCanns seem to have their own personal police force." (Yes votes 3,098, No votes 154)

"At least some sense at last." (Yes votes 2,579, No votes 131)

"Well...it's about time." (Yes votes 2,358, No votes 149)

Looks like many of the GBP agrees with John Tully.

Do you agree with these comments?

[jassi]

Whether one agrees or not, they appear popular sentiments.

[stephen25000]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3001635/It-s-time-ended-search-Maddie-officers-focus-threats-public-says-police-union-chief.html

"Well said, the McCanns seem to have their own personal police force." (Yes votes 3,098, No votes 154)

"At least some sense at last." (Yes votes 2,579, No votes 131)

"Well...it's about time." (Yes votes 2,358, No votes 149)

Looks like many of the GBP agrees with John Tully.

You beat me to it Faithlilly.

[Alfred R Jones]

Whether one agrees or not, they appear popular sentiments.

Do you agree with them?