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Offline Benice

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2015, 10:05:47 AM »
Rule of thumb amongst supporters......if it's foreign it's ( add your expletive here  )

Some serious 'wishful thinking' going on there IMO Faith.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Montclair

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2015, 10:12:51 AM »
The only time the press coverage was "negative" towards the McCanns was just after they were made arguidos. The press then printed information from the investigation which did not please the parents, even though most of it was true. The outrage over these articles IMO is highly exaggerated and nowhere did anyone of these so-called experts criticise how the Portuguese police, country and people were portrayed in the MSM. Hypocritical attitude.

On the whole the press fawned over the McCanns, never criticising their parenting, for example. If any journalist ever expressed any doubts about the case, they were practically forced to do a mea culpa the next day in the press.

The McCanns, through their pit bulls, Carter Ruck, were very successful in putting the fear of god into the papers, who now only print what meets the approval of the parents.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2015, 10:16:17 AM »
I would say it's all about how quickly and efficiently a country can shake off the ways of old regimes and adapt to a different, more democratic and just way of treating people. Some countries adapt to these changes more efficiently than others.

You have evidence that Portugal has not "shaken it off" ?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline John

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2015, 10:29:47 AM »
It is most unfortunate but even today Madeleine is used as a cash cow, as a means to sell newspapers.  What was diabolical was headlines such as "Madeleine found in Greece", "Madeleine found in Ireland" etc etc...

There should be consequences for reporters and newspapers who promote this rubbish.



« Last Edit: April 14, 2015, 10:36:22 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Benice

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2015, 10:44:35 AM »
The only time the press coverage was "negative" towards the McCanns was just after they were made arguidos. The press then printed information from the investigation which did not please the parents, even though most of it was true. The outrage over these articles IMO is highly exaggerated and nowhere did anyone of these so-called experts criticise how the Portuguese police, country and people were portrayed in the MSM. Hypocritical attitude.

On the whole the press fawned over the McCanns, never criticising their parenting, for example. If any journalist ever expressed any doubts about the case, they were practically forced to do a mea culpa the next day in the press.

The McCanns, through their pit bulls, Carter Ruck, were very successful in putting the fear of god into the papers, who now only print what meets the approval of the parents.

Then can you explain why - if ''the papers now only print what meets the approval of the parents,' -  The Times has recently had to pay compensation of £50,000 for printing lies about them?







The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Angelo222

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2015, 12:14:43 PM »
Then can you explain why - if ''the papers now only print what meets the approval of the parents,' -  The Times has recently had to pay compensation of £50,000 for printing lies about them?

I think Monclair means in general as against to always.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2015, 12:30:06 PM »
Then can you explain why - if ''the papers now only print what meets the approval of the parents,' -  The Times has recently had to pay compensation of £50,000 for printing lies about them?

The outrageous lies printed in the press about Madeleine McCann's parents did not come about by accident.

The 'leaks' were part of an orchestrated campaign designed not to find a missing child, but to secure a conviction and close the case.

Why change a winning formula?; if it has already proved a success in previous cases what's wrong with using it to 'solve' crimes irrespective of whether or not it allows criminals to walk free to commit further crimes.

Make no mistake about it, the PJ used the media not so much as an investigative tool but as a means to destroy the names and reputations of those they had decided were guilty of the crime.

Easy to defame a resident couple of poor country people.

Not so easy to do the same to a professional couple, but a highly productive defamation campaign based on pejorative leaks to the press might well have succeeded had lessons not been learned in British officialdom from the Rachel Charles case when a British citizen ended up in prison as a result of being 'fitted up' by the PJ.

When one sees the type of charges laid against Cristovao, one of the main conduits of the defamatory leaks from 'a source close to the investigation' one shudders.  The nature of the reasons for his dismissal from the PJ were bad enough, but just what was this man capable of?

What I did find interesting was his allegation of 'racism' particularly as the allegation of 'racism' has been levelled yet again by posters to this forum.
Lessons have certainly been learned and ingrained.

Madeleine: The damning case against the police by Britain's top investigative reporter

By DAVID ROSE

Last updated at 01:33 21 April 2008


**snip
There was a further parallel with the McCann case - leaks, apparently from police sources, to the media. One of the most damaging, Rosado said, was the suggestion that human blood, probably Joana's, had been found in the Ciprianos' fridge.
It was only when Leonor and Joao went on trial for murder that it emerged that this had never been DNA-matched to Joana and might even have come from some meat.

**snip
Amaral faces charges of negligence and falso testimunho - perjury --under Article 360 of the Portuguese penal code, a crime punishable by up to three years in prison.

Cardoso is accused of fabricating a document.

Marques, Bom and Cristovao are charged with torture, for which the maximum penalty is five years.

In Britain, it seems unlikely that officers facing charges of this kind would still be on duty, but last week Amaral was at work in the PJ office in Faro.
Through his lawyer, Antonio Cabrita, he refused to discuss either the Joana or Madeleine cases.

As for Cristovao, he left the PJ after the Joana case to become a writer.
Last year, as a columnist for Diario de Noticias, he became a prolific commentator on the Madeleine inquiry, writing a series of articles apparently derived in part from conversations with his former colleagues.

Last month, with the publication of his book The Star Of Madeleine, currently the Algarve's No3 bestseller, he has mounted a robust defence of the PJ in general and Amaral in particular.

**snip
The book, much of it composed of a fictional dialogue between two fictional PJ officers, Francisco and Joao, recycles some of the cruellest smears against the McCanns, such as the claim that Gerry did not get sufficiently involved in the children's routines.

Such information, it claims, gave the police "an idea how the family functioned".

It also contains details that can have come only from inside the investigation: as a view of PJ thinking, it may well be as authentic an account as has yet been given.

If so, its conclusions are shocking, among them the view that Madeleine is dead and that if her parents did not kill her physically, they did so by their public campaign to find her.

"The publicity given to her face was her death warrant - that's if she really left that apartment still alive," he writes.
Cristovao refused to meet me, saying that too many British journalists were "racist".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz3QpTyTc47
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2015, 12:35:46 PM »
You have evidence that Portugal has not "shaken it off" ?
Well apparently there has never been a miscarriage of justice in Portugal - ever.  That rings a teensy alarm bell for me!

Offline John

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2015, 12:44:03 PM »
Well apparently there has never been a miscarriage of justice in Portugal - ever.  That rings a teensy alarm bell for me!

As rare as hens teeth!  8)-)))

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5005.0;nowap
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2015, 12:56:08 PM »
Well apparently there has never been a miscarriage of justice in Portugal - ever.  That rings a teensy alarm bell for me!

I said do you have evidence they have not advanced significantly in 40 years?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2015, 01:13:53 PM »
I said do you have evidence they have not advanced significantly in 40 years?
Where have I stated that they have not "advanced significantly" in 40 years?

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2015, 01:44:48 PM »
I said do you have evidence they have not advanced significantly in 40 years?

There is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

There seems to be huge concerted effort going on in Portugal at the moment to root out corruption at all levels in the public services.
No-one appears to be 'untouchable' at the moment.

One welcome development appears to be the total lack of unauthorised leaks from within the McCann investigation.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2015, 01:45:16 PM »
Where have I stated that they have not "advanced significantly" in 40 years?

I take it from that comment you have never made such an assertion so you are content that 40 years on after the dictatorship ended it is of no relevance, except perhaps in a historical sense, in modern Portuguese society that Portugal was once a dictatorship. Much in the same that Germany's society changed in the similar time span from 1946 to 1986. So when posters hark back to Portugal being only 40 years out of a dictatorship it is probably an irrelevant statement.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2015, 01:49:19 PM »
There is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

There seems to be huge concerted effort going on in Portugal at the moment to root out corruption at all levels in the public services.
No-one appears to be 'untouchable' at the moment.

One welcome development appears to be the total lack of unauthorised leaks from within the McCann investigation.

Rooting out corruption like in the UK you mean?
I think Portuguese governance, society and the world at large extends a little beyond the McCann case.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2015, 01:56:19 PM »
I take it from that comment you have never made such an assertion so you are content that 40 years on after the dictatorship ended it is of no relevance, except perhaps in a historical sense, in modern Portuguese society that Portugal was once a dictatorship. Much in the same that Germany's society changed in the similar time span from 1946 to 1986. So when posters hark back to Portugal being only 40 years out of a dictatorship it is probably an irrelevant statement.

I don't think it is an irrelevant statement.

Bearing in mind that the revolution was a bloodless one not a great upheaval which overturned the structures of the regime.

The old instruments of governance did not vanish overnight ... but the evolution of the revolution continues.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....