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Offline sadie

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #75 on: April 15, 2015, 08:55:48 AM »
Democracy much to some peoples annoyance. Like Amaral and Flores.

MF – Things were different in my time. She would have been under such an attack that before she realised anything, she'd be in jail.

GA – Right, but in your time, in our old times, investigation was made with fuel. Now we all move on honey. Apart from that, this is a process that is uncomfortable for everyone. Nicely archived, nice and quiet, that's how it looks better. Everyone was happy.

That's how it looks better !

This case has been hallmarked by "looks", propaganda and myth making.  Seems those are some of the most important elements to Amarals [senior] crew.

All imo.

stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #76 on: April 15, 2015, 08:57:56 AM »
That's how it looks better !

This case has been hallmarked by "looks", propaganda and myth making.  Seems those are some of the most important elements to Amarals [senior] crew.

All imo.

and we know what is the biggest myth of all sadie............

IMO, and many others, of course.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #77 on: April 15, 2015, 09:25:19 AM »
My 90 yr old mother was saying the same last week...how old are you?

Mummy would have told me to say "The same age as my tongue and little bit older than my teeth".
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #78 on: April 15, 2015, 09:33:35 AM »
Mummy would have told me to say "The same age as my tongue and little bit older than my teeth".

 @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

Offline faithlilly

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2015, 10:01:54 AM »
Portugal did have serious problem, and quite possibly does still have.  There never was anything like a serious Revolution.  The real shit bags just reinvented themselves.  And in the end it was just the same old same old.
I feel really sad about this.  But I do know of certain sure that the disappearance of that little girl will forever be the end of Facist Portugal.  Not one PJ Officer will ever again even think about beating anyone.
That poor little girl did so much for the real people.

It doesn't take a state to be facist for its police to beat a perceived offender. Have you seen the news from America recently ?

As to 'that poor little girl' who has done so much for the real people why then are the McCanns so unpopular ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline sadie

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2015, 10:49:38 AM »
Portugal did have serious problem, and quite possibly does still have.  There never was anything like a serious Revolution.  The real shit bags just reinvented themselves.   And in the end it was just the same old same old..
I feel really sad about this.  But I do know of certain sure that the disappearance of that little girl will forever be the end of Facist Portugal.  Not one PJ Officer will ever again even think about beating anyone.
That poor little girl did so much for the real people.

 8@??)(  Very perceptive.


Portugal goes on as it always has but now it is wrapped up in disinformation, propaganda and glitzy paper to make it look palatable and new.


My PT friend did not even know what Democracy meant. 

He could not get his head around the concept of "innocent until proven Guilty".  Nor could he get his head around the concept that tortured out evidence was not evidence at all.  He said "But it is OK because it helps the PJ to solve cases"


sadie rolls her eyes in despair. 8(8-))



I think he had some understanding by the time I had finished with him !

Sadly it seems that THEY have suckered most of the people into thinking they, the ordinary trusting people, won in the mid 1970's


But Fascism still rules.


Amazing what lies, propaganda, media manipulation and "glitzy paper" can do to mislead the ordinary people

Offline sadie

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2015, 10:52:36 AM »
Mummy would have told me to say "The same age as my tongue and little bit older than my teeth".

Are you a priest, monk or ex pupil of Ampleforth College, perchance?

There is something familiar about the way that you put word to paper

Offline Mr Moderator

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2015, 11:19:00 AM »
Portugal is a very new democracy having had an extremely tortuous birth in 1976.  Little wonder therefore that much remains of the old guard and what it stood for. The police have had a difficult transition into what they look like today, some things take time.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2015, 11:21:07 AM by Mr Moderator »

Offline Montclair

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2015, 01:05:04 PM »
8@??)(  Very perceptive.


Portugal goes on as it always has but now it is wrapped up in disinformation, propaganda and glitzy paper to make it look palatable and new.


My PT friend did not even know what Democracy meant. 

He could not get his head around the concept of "innocent until proven Guilty".  Nor could he get his head around the concept that tortured out evidence was not evidence at all.  He said "But it is OK because it helps the PJ to solve cases"


sadie rolls her eyes in despair. 8(8-))



I think he had some understanding by the time I had finished with him !

Sadly it seems that THEY have suckered most of the people into thinking they, the ordinary trusting people, won in the mid 1970's


But Fascism still rules.


Amazing what lies, propaganda, media manipulation and "glitzy paper" can do to mislead the ordinary people


You have one PT friend and he doesn't know the concept "innocent until proven guilty"!! I have lots of Portuguese friends and they are well aware of the concept. I even had colleague at work whose husband was a judge and think that he would know the concept.

I don't think that you have even the slightest idea of what democracy is like in Portugal. For one thing, the people have more rights when comes to unions and public demonstrations than in the UK.

« Last Edit: April 15, 2015, 01:08:21 PM by Montclair »

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2015, 01:09:09 PM »
I think the following article sums up much of the 'reasoning' behind the very unfriendly press treatment to which the McCanns were subject.

In the days after Madeleine's disappearance criticism was being made that she was being looked for.

from the article ...
In his Thursday column in the Público newspaper, the former head of Portugal’s bar association, José Miguel Júdice, said the enormous mobilisation was due to the fact that the little girl “is English, white, and the daughter of doctors.”

In the cases of the 31 children who went missing last year in Portugal, “we didn’t see helicopters or planes chartered by TV stations, or hundreds of police officers and trained dogs,” he wrote.

The only thing I could say in response to that is ... why the Hell not ??


PORTUGAL: Some Missing Children More Equal than Others
By Mario de Queiroz
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Mario de Queiroz

LISBON, May 18 2007 (IPS) - Never before has the Portuguese idiom “para o inglês ver” (literally: for the English to see), which means putting on a front to impress outsiders and ward off criticism, been so apt as today in Portugal, when the entire country has its attention riveted on the case of a four-year-old British girl who disappeared from a hotel two weeks ago.

The investigation into the May 3 disappearance of Madeleine McCann from a resort in Portugal’s southern Algarve region has come up with few leads and little evidence, despite the unprecedented police effort in a country where kidnappings of local children have gone largely unnoticed.

The saying “para o inglês ver”, remarkably pertinent with respect to this case, emerged in Brazil in 1831, when a law was passed prohibiting the importation of slaves under pressure from the British. However, the law was not enforced, and the slave trade continued at a brisk pace in Brazil and in Portugal’s African colonies, thus giving rise to the idiom that referred to a law approved merely for the sake of appearance.

Madeleine went missing from her hotel room at the Ocean Club resort in the village of Praia da Luz, where she was sleeping along with her two-year-old twin siblings while their parents had dinner at a poolside tapas bar 40 metres away.

Since then, the British ambassador has gotten involved, and the Judicial Police, with the support of other police forces, has launched a search and investigation operation of a scope never before seen in Portugal, with130 senior officers and 800 beat officers reportedly assigned to the case.

In the last two weeks, the quiet former fishing village of Praia da Luz has been overrun by police officers and their dogs, as well as battalions of British and Portuguese journalists who have set up satellite dishes to broadcast around the clock.

The only suspect investigated so far is Robert Murat, a British resident of Praia da Luz. Also questioned, but as a witness, was Russian computer specialist Sergei Malinka, who helped design a web site for Murat.

Murat’s home, near the Ocean Club, was searched by the police, who said they did not arrest him because not enough evidence was found, although tests are still being carried out on objects found in the dwelling.

The police have not been forthcoming with information, and much of the media coverage has been speculation.

The case has triggered a media feeding frenzy and has snowballed into an international cause, in which ordinary citizens, analysts, psychologists, doctors and criminologists have all offered their opinions and advice on radio and television programmes and web logs (blogs).

Some observers point out that Madeleine comes from a well-heeled British family (both of her parents are doctors), unlike so many Portuguese or immigrant children whose disappearance has drawn scant attention from the press.

Brazilian-Portuguese activist Ana Filgueiras told IPS that “the deployment of resources to find the missing girl is laudable, but it is regrettable that the same does not happen in the case of people who are less well-off. In Portugal we have never before seen a mobilisation of this magnitude.”

Filgueiras founded the non-governmental Brazilian Centre for the Defence of Children’s Rights (CBDDCA) in the 1970s, which drew attention to the killings of street children by military police in Rio de Janeiro.

“Across the globe, but especially in Africa, Latin America and Asia, the kidnapping of children is almost routine, but the phenomenon receives little coverage from media that are more interested in reporting each and every detail of the disappearance of a British girl, even though the case is insignificant in statistical terms,” said Filgueiras.

According to UNICEF (the U.N. children’s fund), 1.2 million children are trafficked every year around the world.

In Portugal, SOS Criança Desaparecida (SOS Missing Children) of the Instituto de Apoio   Crianza opened 31 new cases last year of missing children, involving 19 girls and 12 boys.

Filgueiras said that when Portuguese children go missing, “no TV station airs photos of the victims,” but in Madeleine’s case “we are watching a soap opera conceived of to boost ratings and readership to a maximum, by playing on people’s feelings.”

“If Madeleine were the daughter of parents from Africa, Eastern Europe or even Portugal, would the media have seized on it like this? Would there be so much news, and such an outpouring of concern?” asks someone writing at http://mrsleeves.blogspot.com, a Portuguese language blog.

Another blog, http://insolitos-da-gravata.blogspot.com/, notes that in the case of Joanna, a Portuguese girl who disappeared a year ago, “it took the police several days to start searching, while in this case it took just 30 minutes, and I can’t avoid thinking, selfishly, that it was only because she was from a well-off English family, since any of us would have had to wait for 48 hours after the disappearance, as established by law.”

The Judicial Police launched the investigation six hours after Kate McCann, Madeleine’s mother, reported that her daughter was missing. “Record time in Portugal,” said Carlos Anjos, president of the association of criminal investigators, who added, however, that six hours was enough time for the kidnappers to have sped across the border with Spain, just 150 kilometres away.

In his Thursday column in the Público newspaper, the former head of Portugal’s bar association, José Miguel Júdice, said the enormous mobilisation was due to the fact that the little girl “is English, white, and the daughter of doctors.”

In the cases of the 31 children who went missing last year in Portugal, “we didn’t see helicopters or planes chartered by TV stations, or hundreds of police officers and trained dogs,” he wrote.

The British and Portuguese media have not reacted this way on other occasions, “and they couldn’t care less about reporting on the immense tragedy in (the Sudanese region of) Darfur, because doing so is infinitely more dangerous and brings less audience and readership than describing, live and direct, every single detail of the family drama” in Praia da Luz, Júdice maintained.

http://www.ipsnews.net/2007/05/portugal-some-missing-children-more-equal-than-others/

 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2015, 01:11:37 PM »
You have one PT friend and he doesn't know the concept "innocent until proven guilty"!! I have lots of Portuguese friends and they are well aware of the concept. I even had colleague at work whose husband was a judge and think that he would know the concept.

I don't think that you have even the slightest idea of what democracy is like in Portugal. For one thing, the people have more rights when comes to unions and public demonstrations than in the UK.

To be honest Montclair I don't think it would have mattered which country Madeleine had disappeared in the faithful would still have given it a verbal kicking.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Montclair

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2015, 01:19:17 PM »
To be honest Montclair I don't think it would have mattered which country Madeleine had disappeared in the faithful would still have given it a verbal kicking.

Oh, so true!

Offline sadie

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #87 on: April 15, 2015, 01:22:40 PM »
You have one PT friend and he doesn't know the concept "innocent until proven guilty"!! I have lots of Portuguese friends and they are well aware of the concept. I even had colleague at work whose husband was a judge and think that he would know the concept.

I don't think that you have even the slightest idea of what democracy is like in Portugal. For one thing, the people have more rights when comes to unions and public demonstrations than in the UK.
I have a number actually Montclair.

But only one that i have gone thru discussing Democracy with.

He accepted the blurb that PT was now Democratic ... but didn't understand the basic principles of Democracy.

He was gobsmacked when he realised that PT was not being Democratic, especially with the torture bit.  As long as the PJ got results he thought that OK.



And he definitely wanted the accused to prove their innocense rather than the Police to prove thei guilt.



I think he understands now tho.

Lyall

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Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #88 on: April 15, 2015, 01:24:59 PM »
I think the following article sums up much of the 'reasoning' behind the very unfriendly press treatment to which the McCanns were subject.

In the days after Madeleine's disappearance criticism was being made that she was being looked for.

from the article ...
In his Thursday column in the Público newspaper, the former head of Portugal’s bar association, José Miguel Júdice, said the enormous mobilisation was due to the fact that the little girl “is English, white, and the daughter of doctors.”

In the cases of the 31 children who went missing last year in Portugal, “we didn’t see helicopters or planes chartered by TV stations, or hundreds of police officers and trained dogs,” he wrote.

The only thing I could say in response to that is ... why the Hell not ??


PORTUGAL: Some Missing Children More Equal than Others
By Mario de Queiroz
Reprint |      |  Print | Send by email
Mario de Queiroz

LISBON, May 18 2007 (IPS) - Never before has the Portuguese idiom “para o inglês ver” (literally: for the English to see), which means putting on a front to impress outsiders and ward off criticism, been so apt as today in Portugal, when the entire country has its attention riveted on the case of a four-year-old British girl who disappeared from a hotel two weeks ago.

The investigation into the May 3 disappearance of Madeleine McCann from a resort in Portugal’s southern Algarve region has come up with few leads and little evidence, despite the unprecedented police effort in a country where kidnappings of local children have gone largely unnoticed.

The saying “para o inglês ver”, remarkably pertinent with respect to this case, emerged in Brazil in 1831, when a law was passed prohibiting the importation of slaves under pressure from the British. However, the law was not enforced, and the slave trade continued at a brisk pace in Brazil and in Portugal’s African colonies, thus giving rise to the idiom that referred to a law approved merely for the sake of appearance.

Madeleine went missing from her hotel room at the Ocean Club resort in the village of Praia da Luz, where she was sleeping along with her two-year-old twin siblings while their parents had dinner at a poolside tapas bar 40 metres away.

Since then, the British ambassador has gotten involved, and the Judicial Police, with the support of other police forces, has launched a search and investigation operation of a scope never before seen in Portugal, with130 senior officers and 800 beat officers reportedly assigned to the case.

In the last two weeks, the quiet former fishing village of Praia da Luz has been overrun by police officers and their dogs, as well as battalions of British and Portuguese journalists who have set up satellite dishes to broadcast around the clock.

The only suspect investigated so far is Robert Murat, a British resident of Praia da Luz. Also questioned, but as a witness, was Russian computer specialist Sergei Malinka, who helped design a web site for Murat.

Murat’s home, near the Ocean Club, was searched by the police, who said they did not arrest him because not enough evidence was found, although tests are still being carried out on objects found in the dwelling.

The police have not been forthcoming with information, and much of the media coverage has been speculation.

The case has triggered a media feeding frenzy and has snowballed into an international cause, in which ordinary citizens, analysts, psychologists, doctors and criminologists have all offered their opinions and advice on radio and television programmes and web logs (blogs).

Some observers point out that Madeleine comes from a well-heeled British family (both of her parents are doctors), unlike so many Portuguese or immigrant children whose disappearance has drawn scant attention from the press.

Brazilian-Portuguese activist Ana Filgueiras told IPS that “the deployment of resources to find the missing girl is laudable, but it is regrettable that the same does not happen in the case of people who are less well-off. In Portugal we have never before seen a mobilisation of this magnitude.”

Filgueiras founded the non-governmental Brazilian Centre for the Defence of Children’s Rights (CBDDCA) in the 1970s, which drew attention to the killings of street children by military police in Rio de Janeiro.

“Across the globe, but especially in Africa, Latin America and Asia, the kidnapping of children is almost routine, but the phenomenon receives little coverage from media that are more interested in reporting each and every detail of the disappearance of a British girl, even though the case is insignificant in statistical terms,” said Filgueiras.

According to UNICEF (the U.N. children’s fund), 1.2 million children are trafficked every year around the world.

In Portugal, SOS Criança Desaparecida (SOS Missing Children) of the Instituto de Apoio   Crianza opened 31 new cases last year of missing children, involving 19 girls and 12 boys.

Filgueiras said that when Portuguese children go missing, “no TV station airs photos of the victims,” but in Madeleine’s case “we are watching a soap opera conceived of to boost ratings and readership to a maximum, by playing on people’s feelings.”

“If Madeleine were the daughter of parents from Africa, Eastern Europe or even Portugal, would the media have seized on it like this? Would there be so much news, and such an outpouring of concern?” asks someone writing at http://mrsleeves.blogspot.com, a Portuguese language blog.

Another blog, http://insolitos-da-gravata.blogspot.com/, notes that in the case of Joanna, a Portuguese girl who disappeared a year ago, “it took the police several days to start searching, while in this case it took just 30 minutes, and I can’t avoid thinking, selfishly, that it was only because she was from a well-off English family, since any of us would have had to wait for 48 hours after the disappearance, as established by law.”

The Judicial Police launched the investigation six hours after Kate McCann, Madeleine’s mother, reported that her daughter was missing. “Record time in Portugal,” said Carlos Anjos, president of the association of criminal investigators, who added, however, that six hours was enough time for the kidnappers to have sped across the border with Spain, just 150 kilometres away.

In his Thursday column in the Público newspaper, the former head of Portugal’s bar association, José Miguel Júdice, said the enormous mobilisation was due to the fact that the little girl “is English, white, and the daughter of doctors.”

In the cases of the 31 children who went missing last year in Portugal, “we didn’t see helicopters or planes chartered by TV stations, or hundreds of police officers and trained dogs,” he wrote.

The British and Portuguese media have not reacted this way on other occasions, “and they couldn’t care less about reporting on the immense tragedy in (the Sudanese region of) Darfur, because doing so is infinitely more dangerous and brings less audience and readership than describing, live and direct, every single detail of the family drama” in Praia da Luz, Júdice maintained.

http://www.ipsnews.net/2007/05/portugal-some-missing-children-more-equal-than-others/

Mainly just means the media campaign events were counterproductive with some people. Nothing more than that.

They were with me back in the UK, so it's no surprise they would be a good deal more with some of those in Portugal.

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?
« Reply #89 on: April 15, 2015, 01:56:13 PM »
Mainly just means the media campaign events were counterproductive with some people. Nothing more than that.

They were with me back in the UK, so it's no surprise they would be a good deal more with some of those in Portugal.

I have just watched a news broadcast of parents making an appeal for information on their missing daughter ... that is what happens ... publicity!

I am sickened that only fifteen days after Madeleine's disappearance in Portugal there was already resentment being publicly expressed that she was being looked for.

If you think that is acceptable and wish to defend it, that is between you and your conscience.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....