McCanns demand Leicestershire Police open their Maddie files.

[jassi]

The disclosure order was changed to exclude law enforcement agencies, so it can't be used to ask for information from any police force. I think Leicestershire Police, The Attorney General and the Serious Organised Crimes Agency had a blue fit when the order was served, and were prepared to fight all the way in court before they would agree with it. Hence the backing down of Justice Hogg and the International Family law Group. The parents were given a token amount of 'trivial' information and sent packing.

The Serious Organised Crime Agency is the body telephoned by David Payne at 23.13 on 3rd May 2007. CEOP was a part of SOCA and was staffed by SOCA officers.

Has the reason for this ever been explained?

[G-Unit]

Has the reason for this ever been explained?

Whoops! It was actually 4th May, sorry! The call lasted 100 seconds but as per usual not much is forthcoming about it (well nothing really)

1485 "Do you recall me telling you about the London number, which you couldn't find in your phone''
 Reply "Yes.'
00:24:00 1485 "That number actually transcribes back to the Crime Specialist Director in London.'
 Reply "Mm.'
1485 "Did you contact them''
 Reply "Err I did yes. My, err you know my sister err had been in contact with them and she was trying to do everything that she could knowing the, err, the difficulties that we were having out there so you know I did approach them just asking for advice but err I can't remember, I don't think I actually spoke to anyone there, but for some reason that wasn't carried forward.'
1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "But I mean, you know, just into the context of the conversation you know we're in a strange country, we've got no representeers we don't know what's going on, all hell's broken loose and you know to see whether you can do anything to help Madeleine come back, you know and that was the lines that we were taking.'
1485 "Do you remember who you spoke to''
 Reply "I don't know.'
1485 "The call was made on the following day at twenty three thirteen, so that's late at night.'
 Reply "Mm.'
 
1485 "You don't recollect anything else about the conversation that you had with that, was it you that made the call''
 Reply "Err I, yeah I know that I got phone numbers from my sister which I did you know ring them but I can't remember making one late at night.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

[pathfinder73]

Whoops! It was actually 4th May, sorry! The call lasted 100 seconds but as per usual not much is forthcoming about it (well nothing really)

1485 "Do you recall me telling you about the London number, which you couldn't find in your phone''
 Reply "Yes.'
00:24:00 1485 "That number actually transcribes back to the Crime Specialist Director in London.'
 Reply "Mm.'
1485 "Did you contact them''
 Reply "Err I did yes. My, err you know my sister err had been in contact with them and she was trying to do everything that she could knowing the, err, the difficulties that we were having out there so you know I did approach them just asking for advice but err I can't remember, I don't think I actually spoke to anyone there, but for some reason that wasn't carried forward.'
1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "But I mean, you know, just into the context of the conversation you know we're in a strange country, we've got no representeers we don't know what's going on, all hell's broken loose and you know to see whether you can do anything to help Madeleine come back, you know and that was the lines that we were taking.'
1485 "Do you remember who you spoke to''
 Reply "I don't know.'
1485 "The call was made on the following day at twenty three thirteen, so that's late at night.'
 Reply "Mm.'
 
1485 "You don't recollect anything else about the conversation that you had with that, was it you that made the call''
 Reply "Err I, yeah I know that I got phone numbers from my sister which I did you know ring them but I can't remember making one late at night.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

A common theme from him - can't remembering very much  &%+((£

1485 "Yeah, and at what point did you have the conversation with him' Did he stop the game or did you speak whilst he was playing''
 00:31:48 Reply "I can't remember, I can't remember. I, you know, in my mind, you know, he stopped playing and you know but I can't remember if I'm perfectly honest.'

[faithlilly]

A common theme from him - can't remembering very much  &%+((£

1485 "Yeah, and at what point did you have the conversation with him' Did he stop the game or did you speak whilst he was playing''
 00:31:48 Reply "I can't remember, I can't remember. I, you know, in my mind, you know, he stopped playing and you know but I can't remember if I'm perfectly honest.'

The more I remember the more I think that Payne may be the key that unlocks this whole mystery.

[G-Unit]

A common theme from him - can't remembering very much  &%+((£

1485 "Yeah, and at what point did you have the conversation with him' Did he stop the game or did you speak whilst he was playing''
 00:31:48 Reply "I can't remember, I can't remember. I, you know, in my mind, you know, he stopped playing and you know but I can't remember if I'm perfectly honest.'

Who remembers Manuel in Fawly Towers? 'I know nothing, nothing....'

[Alfred R Jones]

The more I remember the more I think that Payne may be the key that unlocks this whole mystery.

&%+((£ how so...?

[Carana]

Has the reason for this ever been explained?

What's odd in the circumstances?

[jassi]

What's odd in the circumstances?

The initial timing given - late  evening of the 3rd, later corrected 4th.  Sounded as if he had rung these people within a couple of hours.

[faithlilly]

&%+((£ how so...?

The withheld questionnaires, Gerry including events in the narrative that either Payne failed to tell the PJ initially or totally contradicted, the airbrushing of the visit to 5a from both Crimewatch and Summers book, Crimewatch failing to name him, his wife or mother-in-law while naming the rest of the party are but a few curiosities.

[pathfinder73]

&%+((£ how so...?

They need to find the motive.

[Alfred R Jones]

The withheld questionnaires, Gerry including events in the narrative that either Payne failed to tell the PJ initially or totally contradicted, the airbrushing of the visit to 5a from both Crimewatch and Summers book, Crimewatch failing to name him, his wife or mother-in-law while naming the rest of the party are but a few curiosities.

No, I meant what part do you think he played in the disappearance?  I see from another post of yours elsewhere that you have all members of the Tapas group "colluding", so I take it you're now of the opinion that they're all in on it somehow, yah? &%+((£

[G-Unit]

No, I meant what part do you think he played in the disappearance?  I see from another post of yours elsewhere that you have all members of the Tapas group "colluding", so I take it you're now of the opinion that they're all in on it somehow, yah? &%+((£

Whatever the motive they colluded on the timeline.

[Alfred R Jones]

Whatever the motive they colluded on the timeline.

So you're accusing them all of deception then? 

[G-Unit]

So you're accusing them all of deception then?

Which bit of 'lets sit down and use the covers from this book to write the timeline' did you misunderstand? Information or deception it's still collusion.

[Alice Purjorick]

Which bit of 'lets sit down and use the covers from this book to write the timeline' did you misunderstand? Information or deception it's still collusion.

That's one in the inner. As we used to say "arrers missis"