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Alfred R Jones

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Re: McCanns demand Leicestershire Police open their Maddie files.
« Reply #105 on: April 13, 2015, 10:18:20 PM »
Which bit of 'lets sit down and use the covers from this book to write the timeline' did you misunderstand? Information or deception it's still collusion.
Do you know what collusion actually means?  I posted the definition earlier today, look it up.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #106 on: April 13, 2015, 10:19:53 PM »
Which bit of 'lets sit down and use the covers from this book to write the timeline' did you misunderstand? Information or deception it's still collusion.

Sitting down together and pooling information like this is what intelligent people do...it may mean someone recalls an important piece of information....

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« Reply #107 on: April 13, 2015, 10:33:22 PM »
Sitting down together and pooling information like this is what intelligent people do...it may mean someone recalls an important piece of information....

These times were accepted as Approximate . There was no secret made of this exercise and no attempt at deceit that I can see.

Volume X p. 2578 and 2579 + pictures of the written timelines and sticker book covers

Timelines written by Russell O'Brien. In his rogatory interview he states:
But anyway Dave PAYNE said to, erm, there were two members of the PJ had arrived, there was a guy I remember being almost shaved bald head, quite dark complexion, and a second one who we kind of nicknamed ‘baby face’ who did our fingerprinting about a week later, erm, and those two were there and Dave was, was saying, you know, ‘Shouldn’t we’, you know, ‘Why are we sitting here, shouldn’t you be on the radio, shouldn’t there be more people here, shouldn’t there be’, you know, ‘this should be on the radio, it should be on the television’ and, erm, I recall ‘baby face’ or his colleague saying ‘No media’, and, you know, and that was full-stop and then turning round to me writing the timeline and saying ‘That’s what we want’, fair enough. Erm, huh, and that’s really it.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post330.html#p330
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #108 on: April 13, 2015, 11:44:00 PM »
These times were accepted as Approximate . There was no secret made of this exercise and no attempt at deceit that I can see.

Volume X p. 2578 and 2579 + pictures of the written timelines and sticker book covers

Timelines written by Russell O'Brien. In his rogatory interview he states:
But anyway Dave PAYNE said to, erm, there were two members of the PJ had arrived, there was a guy I remember being almost shaved bald head, quite dark complexion, and a second one who we kind of nicknamed ‘baby face’ who did our fingerprinting about a week later, erm, and those two were there and Dave was, was saying, you know, ‘Shouldn’t we’, you know, ‘Why are we sitting here, shouldn’t you be on the radio, shouldn’t there be more people here, shouldn’t there be’, you know, ‘this should be on the radio, it should be on the television’ and, erm, I recall ‘baby face’ or his colleague saying ‘No media’, and, you know, and that was full-stop and then turning round to me writing the timeline and saying ‘That’s what we want’, fair enough. Erm, huh, and that’s really it.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post330.html#p330

I am merely pointing out that they agreed their timeline so each statement naturally matches roughly as to the time of the alarm being raised. Local people and Ocean Club employees times vary much more. so although nine people's statements say 10 -ish, it might as well be counted as one because they agreed the time together.

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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #109 on: April 14, 2015, 12:06:48 AM »
These times were accepted as Approximate . There was no secret made of this exercise and no attempt at deceit that I can see.

Volume X p. 2578 and 2579 + pictures of the written timelines and sticker book covers

Timelines written by Russell O'Brien. In his rogatory interview he states:
But anyway Dave PAYNE said to, erm, there were two members of the PJ had arrived, there was a guy I remember being almost shaved bald head, quite dark complexion, and a second one who we kind of nicknamed ‘baby face’ who did our fingerprinting about a week later, erm, and those two were there and Dave was, was saying, you know, ‘Shouldn’t we’, you know, ‘Why are we sitting here, shouldn’t you be on the radio, shouldn’t there be more people here, shouldn’t there be’, you know, ‘this should be on the radio, it should be on the television’ and, erm, I recall ‘baby face’ or his colleague saying ‘No media’, and, you know, and that was full-stop and then turning round to me writing the timeline and saying ‘That’s what we want’, fair enough. Erm, huh, and that’s really it.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post330.html#p330

Considering how close Luz is to the Spanish border 'No media' may not have been the appropriate response.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

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« Reply #110 on: April 14, 2015, 12:13:28 AM »
Considering how close Luz is to the Spanish border 'No media' may not have been the appropriate response.
About 1 1/2 hours ish by motor. So in UK terms like Birmingham is close to Manchester
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Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #111 on: April 14, 2015, 12:40:40 AM »
About 1 1/2 hours ish by motor. So in UK terms like Birmingham is close to Manchester

Indeed Alice.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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« Reply #112 on: April 14, 2015, 12:50:11 AM »
About 1 1/2 hours ish by motor. So in UK terms like Birmingham is close to Manchester

Do you think the abductor would be running from one end of Luz to the other openly carrying a child or do you think he may have legged it to a vehicle and been about half an hour away from that border by the time the police arrived on the scene?
The French mob in Serbia did just that ... grabbed the child ... then firing on all cylinders headed straight for the border and if they had evaded pursuit, we would have another missing child case on our hands with people setting up websites to accuse her parents of all sorts.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #113 on: April 14, 2015, 12:55:20 AM »
Do you think the abductor would be running from one end of Luz to the other openly carrying a child or do you think he may have legged it to a vehicle and been about half an hour away from that border by the time the police arrived on the scene?
The French mob in Serbia did just that ... grabbed the child ... then firing on all cylinders headed straight for the border and if they had evaded pursuit, we would have another missing child case on our hands with people setting up websites to accuse her parents of all sorts.

Well, DCI Redwood seemed to be concentrating on the local area for some reason.
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« Reply #114 on: April 14, 2015, 12:56:51 AM »
Do you think the abductor would be running from one end of Luz to the other openly carrying a child or do you think he may have legged it to a vehicle and been about half an hour away from that border by the time the police arrived on the scene?
The French mob in Serbia did just that ... grabbed the child ... then firing on all cylinders headed straight for the border and if they had evaded pursuit, we would have another missing child case on our hands with people setting up websites to accuse her parents of all sorts.

And that my dear friends is why the faithful, almost exclusively, have been pushing the Serbian Kidnap thread.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

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« Reply #115 on: April 14, 2015, 01:06:22 AM »
And that my dear friends is why the faithful, almost exclusively, have been pushing the Serbian Kidnap thread.

I rather thought it was because it initially illustrated a more unusual type of abduction and motive. However, it appears to have been an inept attempt by an inexperienced group working within a more organised child-trafficking gang.

Offline Brietta

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« Reply #116 on: April 14, 2015, 01:14:30 AM »
I rather thought it was because it initially illustrated a more unusual type of abduction and motive. However, it appears to have been an inept attempt by an inexperienced group working within a more organised child-trafficking gang.

Complete with cover story and passport.

There is little news filtering through ~ but the child who is the alleged custody battle 'alibi' isn't mentioned nor are her whereabouts mentioned and given what we now know of these 'mules' that is cause for concern.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anna

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« Reply #117 on: April 14, 2015, 01:22:00 AM »
We have slipped off topic. Can we please try and slip back on topic again. Thank you
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Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #118 on: April 15, 2015, 01:48:14 AM »
The most difficult thing for us has been that we know the British police considered aspects of the investigation to be substandard and we honestly don’t think they believed we were involved in Madeleine’s disappearance. Comments made to us privately by several officers (including the most senior ones) confirmed this. (Madeleine)
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

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« Reply #119 on: April 15, 2015, 08:43:57 AM »
I rather thought it was because it initially illustrated a more unusual type of abduction and motive. However, it appears to have been an inept attempt by an inexperienced group working within a more organised child-trafficking gang.

 8((()*/ Exactly

My thoughts too, with the inexperienced group being directed by some senior person within the organised child trafficking group, probably from afar.



Also each stage of the abduction and actual removal of Madeleine compartmentalized so that no lower section knows who the other sections people are .... and what happened next.



Very clever,



One of their mottos is "Hidden in Plain Sight" IIRC