McCanns demand Leicestershire Police open their Maddie files.

[faithlilly]

Anyone who believes that out of the hundreds of thousands (in fact possibly millions) of parents who have done the same as the McCanns - that not a single one of them have ever gone out leaving a window or a door unlocked - either by accident or design, is living in cloud cuckoo land IMO.

The attitude of some sceptics to this - is similar to their attitude to the creche.   All other parents who sign their children up at a creche or kiddies club are perfectly normal and do it because their kids have a great time there.   They are beyond criticism.    But not the McCanns.  When they did the same they are accused of 'dumping' their children - inferring that the creche and kiddies clubs are places to which no loving parent would dream of sending their children.

Inexplicable logic IMO.

 I would assume most parents after leaving their children in the crèche during the day spend the evening with them. I believe even the McCann's friends left their children in the crèche for only the morning session and did things as a family in the afternoon. We are told Fiona Payne asked the McCanns and their children to come to the beach with the rest of the group on the 3rd , an invitation turned down as Madeleine and the twins were stuck in the crèche yet again while their parents had yet more 'me' time.

[G-Unit]

Anyone who believes that out of the hundreds of thousands (in fact possibly millions) of parents who have done the same as the McCanns - that not a single one of them have ever gone out leaving a window or a door unlocked - either by accident or design, is living in cloud cuckoo land IMO.

The attitude of some sceptics to this - is similar to their attitude to the creche.   All other parents who sign their children up at a creche or kiddies club are perfectly normal and do it because their kids have a great time there.   They are beyond criticism.    But not the McCanns.  When they did the same they are accused of 'dumping' their children - inferring that the creche and kiddies clubs are places to which no loving parent would dream of sending their children.

Inexplicable logic IMO.

No, it is your logic which is inexplicable. Most people using a listening service do so in a resort which provides that facility. Fact! You assume that other parents leave children in unlocked apartments, but have you any proof of that statement? Please provide. Accident and design are two different things. Fact! In this particular case three out of four didn't leave their children in an unlocked apartment. Fact!

[Mr Gray]

I find it interesting that they wanted access to information which may be 'relevent ' to their case?  which case would this be?  It does come across as no one trusted anyone in this whole scenario- really strange.

 It does seem that the McCANNS were worried about what would happen to them with regards to their behaviour which led to Maddies disappearance, and how this would affect them on their return home and the twins.  They did the ground work in order for them not to be 'investigated/ by UK police. I am surprised UK police did not investigate the family on their return, or the social work were not involved.

I have said before it is my belif that Gerry n Kate wanted complete control of all that surrounded 'Missing Maddie'

Wanting control is quite normal for professional intelligent people who realise that "professionals" don't always know best...the fact that you and others don't understand this is because you are not intelligent professionals.

[Mr Gray]

No, it is your logic which is inexplicable. Most people using a listening service do so in a resort which provides that facility. Fact! You assume that other parents leave children in unlocked apartments, but have you any proof of that statement? Please provide. Accident and design are two different things. Fact! In this particular case three out of four didn't leave their children in an unlocked apartment. Fact!

From reports at the  time other families operated a listening service...I certainly did at a similar resort 20 yrs ago...I wouldn't do it now...the McCanns were naïve ...not neglectful

[G-Unit]

Wanting control is quite normal for professional intelligent people who realise that "professionals" don't always know best...the fact that you and others don't understand this is because you are not intelligent professionals.

Could you tell me why you assume we are not intelligent professionals? It would seem that despite your in-depth knowledge of how intelligent professionals view other professionals you are not one of them either, given your faith in the professionals running Operation Grange.

[faithlilly]

From reports at the  time other families operated a listening service...I certainly did at a similar resort 20 yrs ago...I wouldn't do it now...the McCanns were naïve ...not neglectful

From the witness statement available , the Wilkins, Carpenters etc, no other families were prating a similar listening service. Perhaps you can provide a link to the reports ?

[Alice Purjorick]

Wanting control is quite normal for professional intelligent people who realise that "professionals" don't always know best...the fact that you and others don't understand this is because you are not intelligent professionals.

Unfortunately that statement is merely your unsubstantiated opinion.

[G-Unit]

From reports at the  time other families operated a listening service...I certainly did at a similar resort 20 yrs ago...I wouldn't do it now...the McCanns were naïve ...not neglectful

In the resort at the time? Which families please?

So, were this 38 year old couple intelligent controlling professionals or dewy-eyed naive dreamers? Surely they couldn't be both?

Naive;

too willing to believe that someone is telling the truth, that people's intentions in general are good, or that life is simple and fair. People are often naive because they are young and/or have not had much experience of life:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/naive

[Anna]

Wanting control is quite normal for professional intelligent people who realise that "professionals" don't always know best...the fact that you and others don't understand this is because you are not intelligent professionals.

Doctors are accustomed to having all the relevant information, in front of them, when investigating a patients condition.

I think I would want to  know exactly what was going on in the investigation, if it was my child.

It takes a lot of determination and work to persuade those in authority to release at least some of the files.

[faithlilly]

Doctors are accustomed to having all the relevant information, in front of them, when investigating a patients condition.

I think I would want to  know exactly what was going on in the investigation, if it was my child.

It takes a lot of determination and work to persuade those in authority to release at least some of the files.

The information given to the McCanns was information they themselves had passed to the authorities in the first place.

[G-Unit]

Doctors are accustomed to having all the relevant information, in front of them, when investigating a patients condition.

I think I would want to  know exactly what was going on in the investigation, if it was my child.

It takes a lot of determination and work to persuade those in authority to release at least some of the files.

The Uk police are very protective of information. They share only what they wish to share for a number of reasons. It was IFLG who carried out the 'work' needed to 'persuade' (?) Leicester police to release their evidence to the McCanns. They were paid for doing this, I assume by the Fund. The 'persuasion' amounted to serving a disclosure order on the police. and it didn't work.

[jassi]

The information given to the McCanns was information they themselves had passed to the authorities in the first place.

That'll be the stuff Kate described as trivial, I suppose. If it was trivial, then why did the McCanns offer it up in the first place, one might ask.

[Anna]

The Uk police are very protective of information. They share only what they wish to share for a number of reasons. It was IFLG who carried out the 'work' needed to 'persuade' (?) Leicester police to release their evidence to the McCanns. They were paid for doing this, I assume by the Fund. The 'persuasion' amounted to serving a disclosure order on the police. and it didn't work.

So are you saying, that the McCanns had nothing to do with the request for opening the files?

[faithlilly]

That'll be the stuff Kate described as trivial, I suppose. If it was trivial, then why did the McCanns offer it up in the first place, one might ask.

Good question jassi.

[G-Unit]

So are you saying, that the McCanns had nothing to do with the request for opening the files?

On 11th May IFLG advised that disclosure orders could be issued by the courts;
 
They advised setting up a fighting fund and making Madeleine a ward of court; such status being helpful as the ‘courts could make orders to reveal information not otherwise available that might be relevant in our case.’ said Kate.

The McCanns accepted their advice and engaged them to carry it out. As to whose idea it was to serve the disclosure order on Leicestershire police we haven't been told.