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According to Gordon Rayner in his constantly updated article in the Telegraph;

"To date, however, not one shred of proof of what happened to Madeleine has been unearthed."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html

Is he right?


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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2015, 07:12:56 PM »
According to Gordon Rayner in his constantly updated article in the Telegraph;

To date, however, not one shred of proof of what happened to Madeleine has been unearthed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html

Is he right?

Sounds about right.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2015, 07:15:35 PM »
And the difference between evidence and proof is...?

Online Davel

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2015, 08:27:34 PM »
According to Gordon Rayner in his constantly updated article in the Telegraph;

To date, however, not one shred of proof of what happened to Madeleine has been unearthed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html

Is he right?

The article says not one shred of proof...note it does not say one shred of evidence...as I have pointed out on numerous occasions proof and evidence are not the same.
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stephen25000

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Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2015, 08:33:10 PM »
The article says not one shred of proof...note it does not say one shred of evidence...as I have pointed out on numerous occasions proof and evidence are not the same.

So pray tell, what real evidence is there of abduction.

Don't bother with that thread you keep referring to, there's no evidence there.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2015, 08:41:43 PM by stephen25000 »

ferryman

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Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2015, 08:43:45 PM »
We are not privy to details of the second enquiry ....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2015, 09:03:43 PM »
OED
evidence = the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
proof= evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

Discuss that at length  8(>((
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Online Davel

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2015, 09:10:06 PM »
OED
evidence = the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
proof= evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

Discuss that at length  8(>((

depends on you definition of evidence....may be just one piece of evidence....may be the total evidence that can supply proof...

Certainly one piece of evidence may or may not prove anything...evidence and proof are not interchangable
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Online G-Unit

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2015, 09:38:37 PM »
There were hairs in the apartment in Burgau which may have belonged to Robert Murat and Jane Tanner;

 The Haplotype identified by the letters M e M*, present in 49 samples, (35 in the Residencia Liliana, 13 in the vehicle Volkswagen and 1 in the bathroom of the apartament in Burgau), and identical to that of Robert James Queriol Eveleight Murat (RQMU), meaning those samples were from that person or individuals of the same maternal bloodline.

 The Haplotype identified by the letter S, present in 2 samples, (apartment in Burgau), and identical to that of Jane Michelle Tanner (JT), meaning those samples were from that person or individuals of the same maternal bloodline.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2015, 09:43:28 PM »
depends on you definition of evidence....may be just one piece of evidence....may be the total evidence that can supply proof...

Certainly one piece of evidence may or may not prove anything...evidence and proof are not interchangable

I think you missed the point of my post which was in response to a post by Alf.
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Online Davel

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2015, 09:47:52 PM »
There were hairs in the apartment in Burgau which may have belonged to Robert Murat and Jane Tanner;

 The Haplotype identified by the letters M e M*, present in 49 samples, (35 in the Residencia Liliana, 13 in the vehicle Volkswagen and 1 in the bathroom of the apartament in Burgau), and identical to that of Robert James Queriol Eveleight Murat (RQMU), meaning those samples were from that person or individuals of the same maternal bloodline.

 The Haplotype identified by the letter S, present in 2 samples, (apartment in Burgau), and identical to that of Jane Michelle Tanner (JT), meaning those samples were from that person or individuals of the same maternal bloodline.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

This has been discussed at length...a red herring you will find...same maternal bloodline is the clue...
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2015, 10:22:20 PM »
OED
evidence = the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
proof= evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

Discuss that at length  8(>((
pinched from another forum.  No doubt you'll find fault with the explanation:

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Evidence is a fact or situation that suggests something might be true. Proof is a fact or situation that removes all doubt. Sometimes more than one evidence can add up to proof.

Fingerprints are proof that a person touched something. If I find your jacket in my car, it is evidence that you were there, but not proof. If the police find lots of money in my house, it might be evidence that I robbed a bank. A videotape showing me at the bank holding the gun would prove that I robbed a bank.

Online G-Unit

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2015, 10:23:39 PM »
This has been discussed at length...a red herring you will find...same maternal bloodline is the clue...

Following that line of thought to it's logical conclusion we can't be sure that Gerald and Kate McCann, were ever in  apartment G5A. It could have been other people with the same maternal bloodline.
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Online Davel

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2015, 10:32:09 PM »
Following that line of thought to it's logical conclusion we can't be sure that Gerald and Kate McCann, were ever in  apartment G5A. It could have been other people with the same maternal bloodline.

It isn't logical...it's stupid...just as we can't be sure Maddie was not the victim of an alien abduction which according to the Hall the video maker ...beloved of the sceptics ..is a regular event
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2015, 10:36:05 PM »
pinched from another forum.  No doubt you'll find fault with the explanation:

I was merely quoting from the Oxford English Dictionary.
If others know better than that document fine.
The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything.