Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[mercury]

Yeah and the police won't be amused at that remark. No wonder they're looking for a body.

NO police ignore cadaver dogs, even if a bunch of idiots say they mean nothing

[Brietta]

Thanks for sharing Brietta.

No problemo ... it is an interesting read ... and this caught my eye just before the submission of the training record for the dogs

B. EVIDENTIARY HEARING
 
Before trial, Lane moved to exclude the cadaver dog evidence, contending in part that it was not admissible under MRE 702.

At the evidentiary hearing, Stockham testified that he had started a science-based victim recovery dog program for the FBI.

The program’s protocol called for regular single- and double-blind testing of the dogs throughout their working lives.

Stockham’s program had three full-time dog handlers in its program, including Grime. Stockham testified that Grime was a recognized expert in the field of animal behavior in the United Kingdom who worked with and trained Morse and Keela.

Stockham tested Grime and Morse in 2011.
On one occasion, Morse gave a “nonproductive response” when he “barked in a blank room.” No samples were in the room, but Stockham could not exclude the possibility that trace matter was there.

According to Stockham, no instruments can detect and confirm the presence of human remains. It is not clear whether a dog reacts to single compound or a combination of compounds in a decomposing body.

Therefore, nonproductive responses cannot be verified as correct or incorrect. Instead, Stockham assumes that the result is correct if the dog has routinely passed testing before and after the incident.

Grime admitted that there was no scientific testing method that could corroborate Morse’s responses in this case.

http://www.michbar.org/file/opinions/appeals/2014/111314/58542.pdf

[mercury]

There is no scientific method to corroborate dog findings as science has not caught up Brietta with dogs abilities

They are superior therefore you should be trusting them not slagging them off

[mercury]

Yeah and the police won't be amused at that remark. No wonder they're looking for a body.

The police are CERTAINLY not amused

the pertinent question is if they have been tasked to NOT find perpetrator if the parents are involved

[pathfinder73]

Re crying. There is a bit of hard evidence which the investigation did not obtain, but possibly SIO HM could do so now. Get Portugal Telecom records for the late evenings of 1st May and 2nd May, to determine on which of those two dates the late evening call to EG was. This will decide for certain which late evening crying was.

That would have been checked out. I don't know why you're still banging on about WED. Rachel was next door all night and didn't hear anything. Pamela Fenn said Tuesday night and it started just after all those phone calls on Kate's mobile. There is no evidence of crying on Wed only a contradictory statement story the next morning. First it was the twins who cried then it changed to Madeleine.

[pathfinder73]

The police are CERTAINLY not amused

the pertinent question is if they have been tasked to NOT find perpetrator if the parents are involved

It's all a game and they don't want a media circus that's for certain. I think this is like many other tricky cases where they know who did it but can't prove it yet so the real work is done behind the scenes.

[mercury]

It's all a game and they don't want a media circus that's for certain. I think this is like many other tricky cases where they know who did it but can't prove it yet so the real work is done behind the scenes.

IF the Mccanns are guilty and they have evidence the only reason the police are not acting is political interferance,what else?

[misty]

Was Smithman wearing gloves?

[pathfinder73]

Was Smithman wearing gloves?

Not when he was seen and they haven't found him after all the publicity so he's definitely number 1 suspect. I wonder how many possible names they have received &%+((£

[misty]

Not when he was seen and they haven't found him after all the publicity so he's definitely number 1 suspect. I wonder how many possible names they have received &%+((£

Did the cadaver dogs alert to Gerry's mobile phone?

[pathfinder73]

Did the cadaver dogs alert to Gerry's mobile phone?

I think Gerry would have that on him. I haven't heard their mobiles were examined by the dogs. The fact is if you touch a dead body and then something else like CC it will be contaminated.

The dog has also been trained to identify cadaver scent contamination where
there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious
material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles.

per·vi·ous
ˈpərvēəs/Submit
adjective
(of a substance) allowing water to pass through; permeable.

[pathfinder73]

IF the Mccanns are guilty and they have evidence the only reason the police are not acting is political interferance,what else?

Enough evidence to close it for good. They seem to be spending a great deal of money to do a cover up. I think they want to solve it because SY's reputation is on the line.

[misty]

I think Gerry would have that on him. I haven't heard their mobiles were examined by the dogs. The fact is if you touch a dead body and then something else like CC it will be contaminated.

The dog has also been trained to identify cadaver scent contamination where
there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious
material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles.

per·vi·ous
ˈpərvēəs/Submit
adjective
(of a substance) allowing water to pass through; permeable.

OK. If we are in agreement that cadaver odour can permeate items such as cotton clothing (see the German carpet squares test), then by the same means, Smithmans hands must have been contaminated when carrying a corpse away from 5a. Said corpse had already left its odour in various places at 5a.
Smithman carried that corpse for a minimum of 3 minutes, possibly longer, so plenty long enough to establish contamination on his hands.
After 10pm:-
Gerry touched the shutters
Gerry touched his phone
Gerry put his phone in his trouser pockets.
Presumably Gerry touched the patio door/front door handles.
Gerry probably touched a whole host of other things after handling his phone.

No alerts, P/F. Not one.

[sadie]

OK. If we are in agreement that cadaver odour can permeate items such as cotton clothing (see the German carpet squares test), then by the same means, Smithmans hands must have been contaminated when carrying a corpse away from 5a. Said corpse had already left its odour in various places at 5a.
Smithman carried that corpse for a minimum of 3 minutes, possibly longer, so plenty long enough to establish contamination on his hands.
After 10pm:-
Gerry touched the shutters
Gerry touched his phone
Gerry put his phone in his trouser pockets.
Presumably Gerry touched the patio door/front door handles.
Gerry probably touched a whole host of other things after handling his phone.

No alerts, P/F. Not one.

Fabulous thinking misty. 

In one short post, you have proved that Gerry was not Smithman

[G-Unit]

What makes you think Smithman was carrying a corpse?