Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[G-Unit]

I know what he said when he did his check.

He saw the window open when they went back to 5a after Kate give the alarm that Madeleine was missing.

So are you saying that Kate found Madeleine, then decided to fake an abduction?

No, he didn't;

In view of such news all group members rushed to GM's apartment which was accessed through the rear entrance, namely by the sliding glass door facing the pool.
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Asked, he relates that when he entered the apartment, from memory, he did not approach MBM's bedroom therefore cannot provide any details about its condition.
Asked, the deponent denies that at any time he had perceived any suspicious movements undertaken by unknown individuals (or by group members) to the date of the event or in the days that preceded it.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

[DCI]

Which of them did Matthew say was open then? He clarified his evidence about the open window on 10th May;

He states that the bedroom has two windows. The twins occupy two cots placed in the middle of the room and Madeleine occupies a bed pushed against the wall, facing the wall which has the two windows that look out onto the outside of the complex.

Only one window in the childrens' bedroom was open. The window was open and the respective shutter
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD.htm

In view of such news all group members rushed to GM's apartment which was accessed through the rear entrance, namely by the sliding glass door facing the pool.
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Asked, he relates that when he entered the apartment, from memory, he did not approach MBM's bedroom therefore cannot provide any details about its condition.
Asked, the deponent denies that at any time he had perceived any suspicious movements undertaken by unknown individuals (or by group members) to the date of the event or in the days that preceded it.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

IMO, Mathew was describing his own apartment, their bedroom having two windows, thinking all apartments were the same. Didn't he get the curtain colour wrong too?


I see there is a note on the second statement. Seems it is translated to what Albym thinks it said.


[M Oldfield's  Statement 10th May   Again, there were several omissions from, and errors in, the original Portuguese. I corrected those that I found. Also, much of the Portuguese statement is written with a convoluted 'future + past' verb construct that attributes an 'uncertainty' to the words, whereas I have translated much of it in a non-literal manner to make it read more definitively. Hence, the reader must understand that neither the Portuguese nor my translation necessarily constitute the exact words spoken by Oldfield.
If you read MO's Rogatory Letter testimony you will get a sense of the difficulty the Portuguese interpreter faced when listening to this man.]

[G-Unit]

IMO, Mathew was describing his own apartment, their bedroom having two windows, thinking all apartments were the same. Didn't he get the curtain colour wrong too?


I see there is a note on the second statement. Seems it is translated to what Albym thinks it said.


[M Oldfield's  Statement 10th May   Again, there were several omissions from, and errors in, the original Portuguese. I corrected those that I found. Also, much of the Portuguese statement is written with a convoluted 'future + past' verb construct that attributes an 'uncertainty' to the words, whereas I have translated much of it in a non-literal manner to make it read more definitively. Hence, the reader must understand that neither the Portuguese nor my translation necessarily constitute the exact words spoken by Oldfield.
If you read MO's Rogatory Letter testimony you will get a sense of the difficulty the Portuguese interpreter faced when listening to this man.]

He was almost 100% sure in his rogatory that he didn't enter the apartment after the alarm was raised, let alone the bedroom;

 If you ask whether we went, you know, into the apartment and I'm almost a hundred percent sure we didn't go to the apartment, we were, because it was just so awful, so Gerry and Kate and maybe Dave, I'm not sure, but went sort of to the bottom of the steps and they sort of went in, erm, and as soon as they sort of said, you know, she's gone and everything, all hell broke loose, we went round to check firstly on Grace
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[Brietta]

I'm afraid I've no answer as to why it took so long for Tannerman to be identified as a complete red herring.

Actually you deliberately miss entirely the point of investigating evidence. 

How much more appropriate do you think it might have been for proper police investigation work to eliminate this particular red herring back in 2007 rather than six years after the event?

Something as simple as checking crèche records seems to have been beyond the capabilities of the initial investigators ... what other relevant evidence did their incompetence allow to slip through their grasp?

[Brietta]

I expect 18 months ago you were saying the Tanner sighting was the pukka gen and that anyone who disbelieved that "fact" was simple. Now the fact it was not so pukka is the fault of the PJ?
Nonetheless given that probably the most inept police force in the world came up empty handed after 14 months. How much further down the track are we after 3 groups of PIs, one of which group "really were the Big Boys", and probably the best police force in the world have been looking and investigating for more than 4 years in total?

Please explain exactly why the evidence relating to tannerman remained hidden for so long ... obviously it was available at the time.

[jassi]

Actually you deliberately miss entirely the point of investigating evidence. 

How much more appropriate do you think it might have been for proper police investigation work to eliminate this particular red herring back in 2007 rather than six years after the event?

Something as simple as checking crèche records seems to have been beyond the capabilities of the initial investigators ... what other relevant evidence did their incompetence allow to slip through their grasp?

I don't disagree with you. Just think how much focused the McCanns might have been if they could have discarded  Jane's sighting from the begining.

[Brietta]

I don't disagree with you. Just think how much focused the McCanns might have been if they could have discarded  Jane's sighting from the begining.

How could anyone disregard Jane Tanner's evidence until it was properly checked out?

That is not a job for the victims of a crime to undertake ... that is a job for professional investigators who have access to all the information and who one expects to be taking an overview of all the evidence and collating it.

That would appear to me to be specific to the job of the co-ordinator.

I cannot make it clearer than that.
Your expectation that the McCanns should have had access to confidential evidence to allow them to rule out Jane Tanner's evidence right from the beginning is quite frankly risible ... only the PJ had the information and the power to do so ... that they lacked the competence is another question entirely.

[jassi]

How could anyone disregard Jane Tanner's evidence until it was properly checked out?

That is not a job for the victims of a crime to undertake ... that is a job for professional investigators who have access to all the information and who one expects to be taking an overview of all the evidence and collating it.

That would appear to me to be specific to the job of the co-ordinator.

I cannot make it clearer than that.
Your expectation that the McCanns should have had access to confidential evidence to allow them to rule out Jane Tanner's evidence right from the beginning is quite frankly risible ... only the PJ had the information and the power to do so ... that they lacked the competence is another question entirely.

Sadly, the converse is also true.
Why give credence to a statement that was not confirmed ?

 

[Alice Purjorick]

Please explain exactly why the evidence relating to tannerman remained hidden for so long ... obviously it was available at the time.

Was it "hidden" ? do you have evidence of that ? Are you suggesting that one police force hid it and possibly two police forces colluded to hide it? or just that the PJ were incompetent? (yawn). Why didn't "The Big Boys" uncover it when they were investigating?
You seem however to have ducked my main query.

[Brietta]

Sadly, the converse is also true.
Why give credence to a statement that was not confirmed ?

Sigh ... either you are being deliberately obtuse or I have failed to clarify matters ... whatever, I think that last response rather curtails sensible discussion and makes even the thought of watching the latest all singing all dancing YouTube rather long documentary solving Madeleine McCann's case yet again more inviting than taking our conversation any further.

[Brietta]

Was it "hidden" ? do you have evidence of that ? Are you suggesting that one police force hid it and possibly two police forces colluded to hide it? or just that the PJ were incompetent? (yawn). Why didn't "The Big Boys" uncover it when they were investigating?
You seem however to have ducked my main query.

I think I have been concise. 
Unless you have a valid reason why this man was not eliminated from the investigation in 2007, which of course you don't, so I am afraid police incompetence remains.

[jassi]

When did Tannerman give his statement and who was it given to ?

[Alice Purjorick]

Sigh ... either you are being deliberately obtuse or I have failed to clarify matters ... whatever, I think that last response rather curtails sensible discussion and makes even the thought of watching the latest all singing all dancing YouTube rather long documentary solving Madeleine McCann's case yet again more inviting than taking our conversation any further.

Can you put that in small words and in a less convoluted manner so I at least have half a chance of understanding what you are on about. Language is for communication so if you fail to get your message over you have problems with communicating not the listener / reader is dim.

[Anna]

When did Tannerman give his statement and who was it given to ?

Tannerman turned out to be crecheman discovered by SY, I believe and not by the PJ. Please correct me if I am wrong.
 If Crecheman,  gave a statement, which I would have thought to be the case, it must have been withheld.

[DCI]

He was almost 100% sure in his rogatory that he didn't enter the apartment after the alarm was raised, let alone the bedroom;

 If you ask whether we went, you know, into the apartment and I'm almost a hundred percent sure we didn't go to the apartment, we were, because it was just so awful, so Gerry and Kate and maybe Dave, I'm not sure, but went sort of to the bottom of the steps and they sort of went in, erm, and as soon as they sort of said, you know, she's gone and everything, all hell broke loose, we went round to check firstly on Grace
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

You were talking about 2 windows, in the post I replied to.

4078 'Yeah'.
Reply 'The shutters, we didn't open all week, because there's kind of no point. I mean, we went in that bedroom for Grace to sleep during that day, it needed to be dark and kept it at an even temperature, there was no point putting it up and down. I know the, one of the things I said in my statement, when we talk about the Thursday, was where the two windows were only the one, and I thought the two were on this bedroom rather than this one and so, you know, I said, you go through, but there's actually two more, apparently two on those, they showed me a photograph of that. So that's something I know that I got mistaken by, I thought there were two on next door, because I don't think I'd ever noticed it because I think because we'd never pulled up the shutters, they were always sort of down, we just didn't interfere with those'.