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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #150 on: June 05, 2015, 09:02:20 AM »
Yes. So we know if it was the right decision to use SY to review and then investigate a case which, to be honest, had nothing to do with UK police.
And what if there is a £4m+ Inquiry that concludes it was the right decision, then what?  What a momentous waste of money THAT would have been!

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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #151 on: June 05, 2015, 09:09:35 AM »
And what if there is a £4m+ Inquiry that concludes it was the right decision, then what?  What a momentous waste of money THAT would have been!

If the case is not solved it would be hard to justify turning a review into an investigation in my opinion. Surely an investigation would only be carried out if all concerned believed it would lead to a solution? If it doesn't then I would like to know why it didn't.
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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #152 on: June 05, 2015, 09:14:30 AM »
If the case is not solved it would be hard to justify turning a review into an investigation in my opinion. Surely an investigation would only be carried out if all concerned believed it would lead to a solution? If it doesn't then I would like to know why it didn't.
You seem to be suggesting that no investigations should be carried out into any crime unless there is a guarantee the investigation will result in a successful prosecution.  What nonsense.

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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #153 on: June 05, 2015, 09:29:44 AM »
If the Brits want an enquiry, then the enquiry should be in Britland, and funded by the Brits.

Here's a clue.  No one in Portugal wants an enquiry.  No one in Portugal wants to pay for an enquiry.

If you want a party aka enquiry, please fund and conduct it yourselves.  After all, if it is done in Portugal and paid for via Portuguese tax, all you are going to say at the end is lazy, corrupt, sardine-munchers. As per the last 8 years.

You can raise a petition on-line for the cause of an enquiry, organised in Britain, under British rules, and paid for by Britain.  Feel free to pay for it first then criticise its findings.


I believe there has been such a petition on the go for a considerable amount of time.  It attracted some of the same signatories who donated to the fundme account ... only difference being multi contributors did not claim due credit.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #154 on: June 05, 2015, 09:35:25 AM »
You seem to be suggesting that no investigations should be carried out into any crime unless there is a guarantee the investigation will result in a successful prosecution.  What nonsense.

No, only if the UK decide to investigate crimes which are outside our jurisdiction and which have already been officially investigated where they happened.
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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #155 on: June 05, 2015, 09:43:50 AM »
You seem to be suggesting that no investigations should be carried out into any crime unless there is a guarantee the investigation will result in a successful prosecution.  What nonsense.

An interesting point, as many cases that are investigated never proceed to trial because the likelyhood of  successful prosecution is low.

Is the cost of investigation justified in such cases and should crimes always be fully investigated, even in the full knowledge that justice will not be achieved?
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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #156 on: June 05, 2015, 09:46:04 AM »
If the case is not solved it would be hard to justify turning a review into an investigation in my opinion. Surely an investigation would only be carried out if all concerned believed it would lead to a solution? If it doesn't then I would like to know why it didn't.

Hmm.
There was a scoping exercise, eventually followed by a review with an investigative element, then the Met decided that they had enough elements to open a full investigation (as well as appeal for further information). Having all the bits and pieces on a database would presumably have thrown up all kinds of red flags - ranging from the potentially suspicious to loose ends to tie up once and for all and eliminate the irrelevant. Aside from Madeleine, there were also other British children, some of whom had been sexually abused and also deserve an attempt at justice, whether there is a link or not.

IMO, as more and more of the plod work gets done, the Met may well cut down on the staff involved and an associated drop in the allocated budget. If that happens, the Met will probably make an anncouncement in the media to that effect, stating that they believe that they've investigated as thoroughly as possible (x "actionables", etc., have been pursued), and operations will wind down until there is a major breakthrough.

I don't see what would require a public inquiry... even the Jersey fiasco wasn't a public inquiry, but an independent police one.


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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #157 on: June 05, 2015, 09:47:43 AM »
No, only if the UK decide to investigate crimes which are outside our jurisdiction and which have already been officially investigated where they happened.

What about the cases of British kids being sexually abused? Those don't appear to have been investigated at the time...

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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #158 on: June 05, 2015, 09:52:02 AM »
An interesting point, as many cases that are investigated never proceed to trial because the likelyhood of  successful prosecution is low.

Is the cost of investigation justified in such cases and should crimes always be fully investigated, even in the full knowledge that justice will not be achieved?

How can anyone know in advance whether justice may - or may - not be achieved?

There are cases in which it turns out that the perp died years ago... Without a thorough investigation, the perp wouldn't have been identified (and therefore may still have been at large), and the victims wouldn't have any closure at all.

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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #159 on: June 05, 2015, 09:55:58 AM »
What about the cases of British kids being sexually abused? Those don't appear to have been investigated at the time...

I don't know anything about them. I have seen something which suggests no-one in Portugal knew they took place, but I don't know if that's true. If the children's parents reported the incidents I don't know why they weren't investigated. Perhaps the parents involved should take it up with the Portuguese authorities if they reported crimes which were never investigated? I am speaking only about one case which was investigated and which the UK then decided to re-investigate.
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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #160 on: June 05, 2015, 10:07:02 AM »
How can anyone know in advance whether justice may - or may - not be achieved?

There are cases in which it turns out that the perp died years ago... Without a thorough investigation, the perp wouldn't have been identified (and therefore may still have been at large), and the victims wouldn't have any closure at all.

I quite agreed, and yet, in the UK at least, many crimes are not properly investigated at all simply because there is no likelihood of a prosecution.
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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #161 on: June 05, 2015, 10:14:11 AM »
I don't know anything about them. I have seen something which suggests no-one in Portugal knew they took place, but I don't know if that's true. If the children's parents reported the incidents I don't know why they weren't investigated. Perhaps the parents involved should take it up with the Portuguese authorities if they reported crimes which were never investigated? I am speaking only about one case which was investigated and which the UK then decided to re-investigate.

I think you'll find that the 2-3 posters who have denied that they ever happened have also denied that any burglaries ever took place either...

The only indication that the PJ were ever involved at all (I had thought that the reports may have remained on GNR files) is that there's a DNA result from one of the crime scenes floating about somewhere between the lab and the PJ forensic police office.

The tourists had gone home, the PJ didn't have much information to go on... and the cases may well have ended up in the vertical filing cabinet. IIRC, Kate described harrowing letters from parents pleading, but it's not clear whether there was ever much of an investigation.

The current PJ investigation into the Madeleine case may well also have picked up on these cases. Don't forget that at the time PT didn't have a DNA database.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #162 on: June 05, 2015, 10:15:28 AM »
No, only if the UK decide to investigate crimes which are outside our jurisdiction and which have already been officially investigated where they happened.
The decision as to whether or not to re-open the investigation lay with the Portuguese, do you have a problem with the Portuguese decision-making process also?

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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #163 on: June 05, 2015, 10:16:06 AM »
I quite agreed, and yet, in the UK at least, many crimes are not properly investigated at all simply because there is no likelihood of a prosecution.

If that's the case, do you agree with it?

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Re: Does the Madeleine McCann case warrant a Public Inquiry?
« Reply #164 on: June 05, 2015, 10:19:05 AM »
The decision as to whether or not to re-open the investigation lay with the Portuguese, do you have a problem with the Portuguese decision-making process also?

The Portuguese investigation is their business. The British investigation is our business.
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