The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.

[pathfinder73]

So he held back from calling the police for half an hour or so after the alarm was raised.

He wasn't informed about the disappearance until 10:28 and went straight to the apartment. Then he and Gerry went to the reception to call the police at 10:41. Matt was sent to go and call the police at around 10:10 after they had searched down as far as Baptista supermarket. They had been searching for at least 10 minutes before Matt was sent by Fiona to call the police.

[pathfinder73]

Once again, perhaps you could debate this point with Faithlilly who is adamant the alarm was raised at 10.13pm.  Perhaps she'll listen to you cos she sure as hell ain't interested in what I have to say on the matter! 

I haven't read that she said that. Gerry was at the table when the alarm was raised by Kate but the important point is that Smithman was seen after that and not far away. Smithman was running remember not walking. The child was hidden.

[Alfred R Jones]

10pm at the very latest but it was before that going from Matt, Russell and the serving steak waiter statements. The timeline with Gerald written on his completely wrong. He checked at 9:15 and Matt's 9:30 check isn't there! Matt said Gerry went as soon as he came back at around 9 and that is backed up by Jane, Fiona etc. He later said 9:04 - an exact time so I better thank him for telling me he was away from the table until 9:15 backed up by the watching footy comments at the table before Jane even left 

Do SY think the same as me and Kate left to check at around 9:50 ?

"the last at 21:51, when Kate, Madeleine's mother goes to the apartment, before alerting to the disappearance."

What time did this happen?

On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues—Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: “They’ve left you alone?” She responded more of less with these words: “No, they went to see if the little girl was there.” I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine’s father, running to the pool and to the children’s play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

[Alfred R Jones]

I haven't read that she said that. Gerry was at the table when the alarm was raised by Kate but the important point is that Smithman was seen after that and not far away. Smithman was running remember not walking. The child was hidden.

Well she has several times I can assure you. Maybe you don't bother reading her posts?

[pathfinder73]

What time did this happen?

9:56-8. Gerry never said he was there at all. Others said it was DP and Matt searching the pool, tennis courts. After searching DP told Dianne to leave.

[Alfred R Jones]

9:55

So in 4 minutes Kate has got up, gone to the apartment, looked for Madeleine, not been able to find her, come rushing back to the Tapas Restaurant, everyone except DW has got up and gone back to the apartment, Gerry has taken part in a cursory search of the apartment (fiddled with shutter?) then rushed back to the Tapas Restaurant?  And all in 4 minutes?  Are you sure...?  &%+((£

[Alfred R Jones]

9:56-8. Gerry never said he was there at all. Others said it was DP and Matt searching the pool, tennis courts. After searching DP told Dianne to leave.

LOL, I see you've changed your timing.  What did DW have to say about this incident?  Didn't she say it was Gerry?

[pathfinder73]

LOL, I see you've changed your timing.  What did DW have to say about this incident?  Didn't she say it was Gerry?

This is what Gerry said as an arguido:

When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they stayed inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way.

While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.

Nobody saw him at the main reception. Matt was there and didn't see him. Matt went to call the police. So Gerry is saying he is somewhere where he wasn't seen! He later came with Manager John Hill when the call was made at 10:41.

Conclusion - he can't be ruled out as being Smithman.

[Alfred R Jones]

This is what Gerry said as an arguido:

When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they stayed inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way.

While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.

Nobody saw him at the main reception. Matt was there and didn't see him. So Gerry is saying he is somewhere where he wasn't seen! He later came with Manager John Hill when the call was made at 10:41.

Did DW say Gerry came back past the pool area after the alarm was raised or not?

[pathfinder73]

Did DW say Gerry came back past the pool area after the alarm was raised or not?

I stayed at the table in case Madeleine had wandered off and she might come looking round the restaurant. Err this is when it gets all a bit confusing because I’ve no idea how long I, I stayed there. I don’t, I don’t think it was that long and I know that at one point, again, this wasn’t in my original statement, Dave did come back to the table and say can, can you just go back to the apartment, but all this is very, very, very vague and I know when I left the table I went, I did go into err Kate and Gerry’s err apartment. (DW)

[Alfred R Jones]

I stayed at the table in case Madeleine had wandered off and she might come looking round the restaurant. Err this is when it gets all a bit confusing because I’ve no idea how long I, I stayed there. I don’t, I don’t think it was that long and I know that at one point, again, this wasn’t in my original statement, Dave did come back to the table and say can, can you just go back to the apartment, but all this is very, very, very vague and I know when I left the table I went, I did go into err Kate and Gerry’s err apartment. (DW)

The waiter in his statement said he spoke to the man he later knew to be Madeleine's father - do you think DP and GMcC look alike?

[pathfinder73]

The waiter in his statement said he spoke to the man he later knew to be Madeleine's father - do you think DP and GMcC look alike?

Yes but that could be later. Gerry didn't stay in the apartment when he got back. He was in and out of it going from witness statements. Emma got there at 10:20 and only Kate and Fiona were present at 5A. Gerry was out and about.

[Alfred R Jones]

Yes but that could be later. Gerry didn't stay in the apartment when he got back. He was in and out of it going from witness statements. Emma got there at 10:20 and only Kate and Fiona were present at 5A. Gerry was out and about.

If the waiter's statement is correct and he did see Gerry at 9.56 / 9.58 (your timing) then do you concede it is highly unlikely that Gerry was able to be seen by the Smiths less than 5 minutes later carrying a corpse through town?

[faithlilly]

Given that we have now established that the alarm was raised at around 10pm Faithlilly, and given that you believe that Gerry was sat at the Tapas table when the alarm was raised, perhaps you can now explain how Gerry was able to also be Smithman?   &%+((£

Nope Alfie. Every statement is 'about' or 'around' so nothing definitive.

[Alfred R Jones]

Nope Alfie. Every statement is 'about' or 'around' so nothing definitive.

Errr....speak to Pathfinder.  He or she has certainly proved it, going by phone records.  Tough tomatos, you're theory is in tatters.