The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.

[stephen25000]

Now the book is banned, albeit temporarily, how will it be stopped on the internet, where it is widely available, and in all due probability, will continue to be read ?

[DCI]

*&*%£ *&*%£

I take it you missed the photo?

[Brietta]

Glad you are glad that I am glad. However, what is your point exactly about the prints? There is N O forensic evidence to place an 'abductor' near those shutters/whooshing curtains.

Fact:  there is no independent witness who saw little Maddie after Kate took them home.  Time lines and whooshings don't matter because  it cannot be established WHEN Maddie disappeared now can it?...

According to the FSS report there is forensic evidence which was collected in apartment 5A which has not been traced to a donor ... you will not find a better witness than a forensic sample.

[Alice Purjorick]

According to the FSS report there is forensic evidence which was collected in apartment 5A which has not been traced to a donor ... you will not find a better witness than a forensic sample.

Remind us what contributed to the convictions of the Maguire Seven being declared unsafe.

[pathfinder73]

Glad you are glad that I am glad. However, what is your point exactly about the prints? There is N O forensic evidence to place an 'abductor' near those shutters/whooshing curtains.

Fact:  there is no independent witness who saw little Maddie after Kate took them home.  Time lines and whooshings don't matter because  it cannot be established WHEN Maddie disappeared now can it?...

Exactly. Madeleine disappeared after 5:30 and the many contradictions from the last witness at 6:30 will have any investigator intrigued. He was out. No I was in. I was only wearing a towel. I can't remember what she was wearing but the kids looked like happy angels. Not good quality.

[Brietta]

Remind us what contributed to the convictions of the Maguire Seven being declared unsafe.

I wasn't aware that playing cards or soap were relevant to the forensics left in Madeleine McCann's case, I indicated unidentified fingerprints not to speak of unidentified hair and DNA samples.

Convictions in cases like the one you indicated placing reliance on ephemerals such as odours with no physical evidence to back them up ... a situation some have demanded in relation to the McCanns ... I think you have agreed is an unsafe thing to do.

[faithlilly]

Who's the one with form for lying, Faith?. It ain't me sunshine!

So you'll have a page reference and a screenshot of the note then DCI if, indeed, there ever was a note and if, indeed, you have all the files ?

[faithlilly]

Remind us what contributed to the convictions of the Maguire Seven being declared unsafe.

I think Shirley McKie, a Scottish police detective would also disagree.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_McKie

[Alice Purjorick]

I wasn't aware that playing cards or soap were relevant to the forensics left in Madeleine McCann's case, I indicated unidentified fingerprints not to speak of unidentified hair and DNA samples.

Convictions in cases like the one you indicated placing reliance on ephemerals such as odours with no physical evidence to back them up ... a situation some have demanded in relation to the McCanns ... I think you have agreed is an unsafe thing to do.

Best then to qualify your statements rather than make sweeping generalizations would you not agree.
Hint : the bullshit baffles brains may work with others but not with me  . You see, another hint coming up; when you want to get your point over use short words in short punchy sentences. When someone calls a spade a horticultural implement I generally start to nod off cos I know what's coming to whit someone is going to try to flim flam me.

[mercury]

Dearest,

My voice counts, the same as yours.



http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

N.B.  I have included all the missing files from people staying at Ocean Club.   
These are the only files that could have placed Gerry searching at 10pm, or have given the time the searching began


Note: Pages 293 - 300 are missing from the DVD.
 
Further documents missing from the DVD.  WITH THANKS TO INES
 
Statements missing from UK holiday makers:



Stephen Carpenter
Original statement taken on 17th May 2007 by a UK Police Officer:

Stephen Carpenter original

Rajinder Balu.
Rogatory statement refers to ?original statements?:

Rajinder Balu. original

Neil Berry
Rogatory statement refers to ?original statement?:

Neil Berry original


Carolyn Carpenter
Rogatory interview not included in DVD:

2. Page 18 Interview Carolyn Elizabeth CARPENTER, she was interviewed on 21st April 2008, the interview was recorded on DVD, please see enclosed 1 copy of the transcript, 1 copy of the DVD, 1 copy of her statement and a copy of the
Detective's statement evidencing the interview.

Carolyn Carpenter page 18

 


So, the ONLY missing files from British holidaymakers actually staying at Ocean Club, are those which COULD HAVE PROVED that Gerry WAS searching at about 10pm.   Something that is much disputed by some who have no actual knowledge .... but prefer to guess.

Big co-incidence that only those files are missing, dont you think?

Yes we know, you have said it three times now,  and no, I don't consider it suspicious as I explained before. The comment I made on here when I got involved in the discussion, was about people suggesting Mr Carpenter being wrong about what his wife said. That cannot be taken as a given.

PS there are other British holidaymakers' statements "missing" from the files. IMO this is down to the British police, either through not wanting them in there or by not sending them in the first place, ie Tannerman the Crecheman being one example.

[Brietta]

Best then to qualify your statements rather than make sweeping generalizations would you not agree.
Hint : the bullshit baffles brains may work with others but not with me  . You see, another hint coming up; when you want to get your point over use short words in short punchy sentences. When someone calls a spade a horticultural implement I generally start to nod off cos I know what's coming to whit someone is going to try to flim flam me.

My, my we do seem to be getting a little hot under the collar 

[Brietta]

Yes we know, you have said it three times now,  and no, I don't consider it suspicious as I explained before. The comment I made on here when I got involved in the discussion, was about people suggesting Mr Carpenter being wrong about what his wife said. That cannot be taken as a given.

PS there are other British holidaymakers' statements "missing" from the files. IMO this is down to the British police, either through not wanting them in there or by not sending them in the first place, ie Tannerman the Crecheman being one example.

Nor can what Mrs Carpenter actually said in her statement be taken as a given ... that is a rather arrogant presumption to make.

[Alice Purjorick]

My, my we do seem to be getting a little hot under the collar 

No just my normal rather blunt self. Being hot under the collar is counterproductive and lacking in objectivity. I much prefer in cold blood to red haze.

[mercury]

As far as Stephen Carpenter's statement of what he witnessed goes it is fine. As far as what he said about what Mrs Carpenter witnessed ... that is hearsay.
I am surprised you are unable to make that differentiation.

It has always been known that some information has been withheld from publication because of its sensitivity; one doubts if Mrs Carpenter's statement falls into that category.

Is it your assertion that ukca were selective in the witness interviews forwarded to the lead authority? I doubt it ... but I guess that only Levy would be able to inform us of exactly what his editorial position may have been at the time ... then would we be able to believe a word of what he has to say?


17 Processos Vol XVII Pages 4692 - 4706
WITH THANKS TO INES
4692 to 4706 - Letter to the Tribunal from lawyers acting for ACPO
Letter from lawyers representing British police forces requesting that certain documentation from UK police files be withheld from the DVD for public release.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

I don't see how Mr Carpenter's relaying of what his wife said at a certain time doesn't count as part of "what he witnessed", as if, somehow, one's ears  do not carry the same weight  as one's eyes when memory is recalled, but not to worry, I've forgotten the reason why some don't want to count Mrs Carpenter's words as important

Regarding your question, no, I made no assertion

[Brietta]

No just my normal rather blunt self. Being hot under the collar is counterproductive and lacking in objectivity. I much prefer in cold blood to red haze.

Maybe when you are being your normal rather blunt self you should consider doing it on topic ... saves all those pearls of wisdom being scrubbed while wasting the mods time, and mine for being stupid enough to give you the credence of an answer.