Madeleine McCann's parents win €500k in damages against former police chief.

[Mr Gray]

It may be defamation but it was not defamation that caused the judgement.

Read the whole judgement.

could you provide a link first...to where the supreme court dismissed libel

[Brietta]

It was already written, using police files, well before he left the PJ.

Files which he had a hand in compiling to form conclusions in his book which were not upheld by subsequent investigation, particularly his erroneous interpretation of the forensic evidence.

I think his failure to uphold the presumption of innocence is particularly chilling when one thinks of the authoritative position he held in the PJ.

I am beginning to see where a lot of Isabel Duarte's arguments in Court were taking us; and when it has been explained to us so clearly ... I don't see how any other judgement could have been reached.

In saying so ... I can see exactly where Davel is coming from in his argument as I sympathise entirely ... not sure if we are interpreting the Portuguese Judgement as it would be in a British Court though ... and I am unsure how it would tie in with European Law.

The progress or not of an appeal might show us. But whatever, I think Madeleine's family can rest easy on this score and concentrate on what's happening in the investigation.

[OxfordBloo]

could you provide a link first...to where the supreme court dismissed libel

If you wish to cite it, please do. I am concentrating on the recent judgement which you seem reluctant to read.

[Mr Gray]

If you wish to cite it, please do. I am concentrating on the recent judgement which you seem reluctant to read.

you have claimed the supreme court settled the libel issue.....as I remember it never mentioned libel

[Lyall]

If you wish to cite it, please do. I am concentrating on the recent judgement which you seem reluctant to read.

In English? Where is it?

[Mr Gray]

The judge ..evidently has awarded damages ..as amaral did not afford the mcccanns the presumption of innocence...so where does that leave the archiving report criticising the mccanns for not proving their innocence...

[Mr Gray]

If you wish to cite it, please do. I am concentrating on the recent judgement which you seem reluctant to read.

another false assumption...point me in the right direction

[sadie]

Files which he had a hand in compiling to form conclusions in his book which were not upheld by subsequent investigation, particularly his erroneous interpretation of the forensic evidence.

I think his failure to uphold the presumption of innocence is particularly chilling when one thinks of the authoritative position he held in the PJ.

I am beginning to see where a lot of Isabel Duarte's arguments in Court were taking us; and when it has been explained to us so clearly ... I don't see how any other judgement could have been reached.

In saying so ... I can see exactly where Davel is coming from in his argument as I sympathise entirely ... not sure if we are interpreting the Portuguese Judgement as it would be in a British Court though ... and I am unsure how it would tie in with European Law.

The progress or not of an appeal might show us. But whatever, I think Madeleine's family can rest easy on this score and concentrate on what's happening in the investigation.

Furthermore, I would like to congratulate Judge Emilia Melo e Castro on resisting any undue pressures that almost certianly will have been put on her, due to her family and Geographical connections to Goncalo de Sousa Amaral.

Delighted for Isabel Duarte and her assistant too ... well done. 
..... And, of course for the Mccann family.  All of them

[Brietta]

If you wish to cite it, please do. I am concentrating on the recent judgement which you seem reluctant to read.

As far as I was concerned until reading your very well researched posts ... this was the conclusion of a very long running libel trial.  I would welcome clarification on what you say about the Supreme Court; I usually find sources myself but in this instance I have been unsuccessful.

[Mr Gray]

Furthermore, I would like to congratulate Judge Emilia Melo e Castro on resisting any undue pressures that almost certianly will have been put on her, due to her family and Geographical connections to Goncalo de Sousa Amaral.

Delighted for Isabel Duarte and her assistant too ... well done. 
..... And, of course for the Mccann family.  All of them

no more than they deserved..victory for the mccanns...as I predicted

[Lyall]

The judge ..evidently has awarded damages ..as amaral did not afford the mcccanns the presumption of innocence...so where does that leave the archiving report criticising the mccanns for not proving their innocence...

Not proving, demonstrating, and you know very well what was meant (the failure to return to Portugal).

[Mr Gray]

Not proving, demonstrating, and you know very well what was meant (the failure to return to Portugal).

why should they have to demonstrate innocence...they should have been afforded the presumption of innocence

[Lyall]

why should they have to demonstrate innocence...they should have been afforded the presumption of innocence

They didn't cooperate with the investigation. So that was mentioned, that's all.

[Eleanor]

why should they have to demonstrate innocence...they should have been afforded the presumption of innocence

By Amaral.  Which is what The Judge said.

[Mr Gray]

They didn't cooperate with the investigation. So that was mentioned, that's all.

they didn't have to...but according to oxford...the Portuguese justice system is guilty of a tort for not affording them the presumption of innocence