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Offline pathfinder73

My only bias is that I despise bullying, vigilantes, cowardly defamatory statements from individuals, anonymous or otherwise.

I do not believe that citizens, no matter how unlikable, should be used as fodder for the amusement of internet gossipers or be attacked by police officers, or have libellous articles and books written about them.

My bias is freedom and respectability.

The McCanns have been subjected to attacks, torment and open to misery because of the actions of many individuals.

Happily we live in a society where such victims have rights to contest defamation and avoid harassment.

Your bias is plain to see. This is an unsolved crime so I follow evidence. I don't know the McCanns but they hindered the original investigation. Amaral's job wasn't to make friends or suck lollipops with Gerry it was to investigate and solve the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Robert Murat was the first suspect but he answered all questions. He was a perfect example of fully cooperating with the police.

‘While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.’
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Offline Eleanor


He hasn't done very well, has he.

Offline faithlilly

According to reports Dr Amaral is living in straightened financial circumstances and nees to resort to "supporters" to fund his lifestyle and his legal bills.

Why does he not go out and get a job, like any normal person would?

Any normal person. Kate McCann for instance ?
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Offline sadie

Any normal person. Kate McCann for instance ?

What a silly remark

The Mccanns make ends meet.  They dont do flash things like buy a diamond earring or a Jag, when they are in debt

.... like Amaral did.

They have sufficient working income to have a fairly comfortable lifestyle.  Amaral is in debt.





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Your bias is plain to see. This is an unsolved crime so I follow evidence. I don't know the McCanns but they hindered the original investigation. Amaral's job wasn't to make friends or suck lollipops with Gerry it was to investigate and solve the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Robert Murat was the first suspect but he answered all questions. He was a perfect example of fully cooperating with the police.

‘While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.’

I am biased in favour of justice, fairness and privacy.

People generally despised the tapping of the mobile phone of the girl who disappeared. This was because doing so was offensive to justice (interfering with the course of a case) , fairness (what are the limits of a free press) and privacy (what rights do we have to not be interfered with by the state or other citizens.

There is a right to free speech and this probably should apply to a book or press article more than it does in the UK currently. And people should certainly be free to hold an opinion.

But this has to be limited in many ways. For instance Mary Bell orders for various serious criminals at risk in the community, national security, safety, libel and so on.

Se have a new situation caused by the internet that approaches close to the basis for these limits on free speech. Gossip when limited to the pub was tolerable, but when has an organised rabble egging people on to speech and a ton on a public media it becomes a probable moral and possible legal question.

The law recognises that people may have an opinion but they may not for instance express that publicly by demonstrating outside an opponent's house or sending them direct communications. I would argue that similar actions by people on organised sites in public, accessible to all is as objectionable as demonstrating outside someone's house or telephoning or emailing them. I can see an argument to apply the same restrictions on internet behaviour as we do on behaviour in the real world and to make the targeting of individuals on message boards as a case of harassment. The simple answer is that such discussions should be private to the participants and not open to the public, nor gathered by Google bots.

At present we allow a group of angry frustrated and deluded people to meet in private to cast aspersions on individuals. We do not let these people demonstrate in the residential area where the target lives. I would have little objection if there were the same limits put on harassment by social media that we place on harassment in the real world.

Sites like this that allow groups to post harassment would be required to be unavailable to non-members and not searchable. Merely factual posting would be a defence but speculation and accusation would be unlawful.

As more and more cases like attacks on rape victims (the recent footballer case), Jon Venables, Cliff Richard, Sharon Shoesmith, and a whole variety of other victims.

The press would still be free, factual discussion would still be free, but joint behaviour amounting to harassment would not be protected.
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OxfordBloo

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Any normal person. Kate McCann for instance ?

What an offensive and sexist comment.

Caring for a household and bringing up children can be a full time job.

I would rather criticise people who farm out their children to childcare to work a full time job.

I gave up a very well paid job and have been a full time father for the last fifteen years. I have not been unemployed like Amaral, I have worked full time as a child reader and a homemaker.

Perhaps you should think a little more deeply before you have a kneejerk reaction to defend Amaral and abuse Kate McCann.

Offline Jean-Pierre

What an offensive and sexist comment.

Caring for a household and bringing up children can be a full time job.

I would rather criticise people who farm out their children to childcare to work a full time job.

I gave up a very well paid job and have been a full time father for the last fifteen years. I have not been unemployed like Amaral, I have worked full time as a child reader and a homemaker.

Perhaps you should think a little more deeply before you have a kneejerk reaction to defend Amaral and abuse Kate McCann.

I do wonder how many of those donating their hard earned cash to Amaral realise that his pension income is higher than the national average family income in Portugal?   

Offline Montclair

What an offensive and sexist comment.

Caring for a household and bringing up children can be a full time job.

I would rather criticise people who farm out their children to childcare to work a full time job.

I gave up a very well paid job and have been a full time father for the last fifteen years. I have not been unemployed like Amaral, I have worked full time as a child reader and a homemaker.

Perhaps you should think a little more deeply before you have a kneejerk reaction to defend Amaral and abuse Kate McCann.

You may not know but Gonçalo Amaral does have a job.

OxfordBloo

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You may not know but Gonçalo Amaral does have a job.

Would that be with the pretendy PR agency that be used to try to divert finds from the courts?

Or is it a real paying job?

Offline Brietta

I do wonder how many of those donating their hard earned cash to Amaral realise that his pension income is higher than the national average family income in Portugal?   

I would think his income would be taken into account by the judge prior to her consideration of the amount of damages she intended to award to Madeleine McCann's parents.

He is neither on the breadline nor will he starve and when he pays off his tax debts he will be further enriched by receiving 100% of his pension ... and the sob story about him losing his retirement villa as a result of the award is balderdash, he lost it long before he ever heard of the McCanns in settlement of previous debt.

If he wishes to present himself as a pauper in order to solicit charitable donations I doubt it is out of character as I think he presents as a man who thinks the world owes him a living.

If people wish to donate to support him financially in his effort to retain his proven illegally acquired money that is entirely up to them what they do with their cash.

On the other hand if they wish to help out the cash strapped African Prince who keeps on soliciting my bank details, I can forward his details.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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I would think his income would be taken into account by the judge prior to her consideration of the amount of damages she intended to award to Madeleine McCann's parents.

He is neither on the breadline nor will he starve and when he pays off his tax debts he will be further enriched by receiving 100% of his pension ... and the sob story about him losing his retirement villa as a result of the award is balderdash, he lost it long before he ever heard of the McCanns in settlement of previous debt.

If he wishes to present himself as a pauper in order to solicit charitable donations I doubt it is out of character as I think he presents as a man who thinks the world owes him a living.

If people wish to donate to support him financially in his effort to retain his proven illegally acquired money that is entirely up to them what they do with their cash.

On the other hand if they wish to help out the cash strapped African Prince who keeps on soliciting my bank details, I can forward his details.


The house was bought in Alexandra's name, in 2002. it was already under threat.

Portuguese newspaper 24horas today: The judge who ordered the seizure of the house and jaguar of former PJ inspector, rated a trail of debts, in a action of anticipation of the eventual sentence of compensation to Madeleine´s parents. The assets of Gonçalo Amaral was already precarious before the decision of the Civil Court of Lisbon, who last October ordered the arrest of the proceeds frfom the rights of copyright related with the sales of the book "Maddie - the truth of lie". Until May 19, 2008, hung over Gonçalo Amaral, two measures of attachment, an attachment of seize and tax / debts, which together amounted to 468, 4 thousand euros. According with a certificate signed by the 3rd Land Registry of Lisbon, with the date of 21st September of 2009, which 24horas had access - the former PJ inspector was noticed in those three actions by A.S. Amaral, by the National Treasury and also from the Bank of Espírito Santo. The first of those three actions, a seizure of the order of 129, 6 thousand euros, was brought at February 9th of 2005, referring to a "fact" verified in December 16th previous year. A.S. Amaral, and the applicant of the action was at the time, resident in na 3rd floor of Quinta da Mata, in Corroios (Seixal). 24horas could not locate him. At September 14th of 2006, new "nightmare to Gonçalo Amaral with the National Treasury to move forward with seize action of 16.996 euros. The day of May 19th of 2008 was a date of an even worst news. An action - another one - the seize by the Bank Espírito Santo (which belongs to BIC) against Gonçalo Amaral reaches the sum of 294.405 euros, plus with other 14,7 thousand as payment of expenses of the executive process, judged and ordered by a judge of Olhão´s Court. The Civil Court of Lisbon understood, once evaluated the finantial situation of Gonçalo Amaral, that if he becomes to be condemned as a result of the application of indemnization requested by Madeleine´s parents, does not offer guarantees of match it´s payment. It´s from that assessment that comes the decision of... arrest the house, the jaguar, the share of Amaral in the company Gonçalo AmaralUnipessoal Lda, and a third part of his salary as manager of the firm.

House arrested:

Amaral and his wife, Alexandra, had bought a house with 240 square metres on a land with a total area of 1145 square metres at Urbanização Cerro Azul, in Quelfes, Olhão - with 2 floors, 2 terraces, a pool and a garage - at October 25 of 2002. The house was registered only in Alexandra´s name, but, the registration communion marriage of acquired in which the married, dictated their arrest due to actions taxes against her husband. The couple payed for the house 204, 3 thousand euros, form which they move forward with na voluntary morgage, as a loan title, hired in that same day and near BIC, with the total value of 292,9 thousand euros. At october 31st of 2003, the demand another loan at the same bank, with the top value of 64, 5 mil euros

.Retirement pension also under "pillage":

That same house would be the target of a seize of 129,9 thousand euros demanded by A.S. Amaral in 2005 and would work with the same purpose on the next seize, the one at 2006, as a guarantee of payment of 16.996 euros to the National Treasury. But, there is more. Retired since June 2008, Gonçalo Amaral receives a pension by early retirement - after 26 years of service - of 2039 euros, but the Retirement Administration Office forces him to discount a sixth part of that value every month, until the value of that debt reaches the 10.505 euros. The former inspector payed five of those benefits until the beginning of October. He has yet 26 to pay. And yet... a certificate of debts of October 16th of 2009 at Finantial Service from Olhão which proves that Amaral owes to the Tax payer office a total of 13.426.7 euros. The debts (of 2006, 2007, 2009) has origin in fines, IRS, stamp duty and transfer tax. In a statement released in October 21, Amaral told that he feared to "be prevented of defending his reasons in court" due to the "higher costs of money" by the judicial action requested by the couple McCann. 24horas tried to get in touch with Amaral and his wife to clarify this situation. None of them answered the phone. Also none of them answered the written messages sent by 24horas.

80 thousand for tv interview:

At the end of april 2009, a correspondent of Five News requested an interview to Amaral. According to information gathered by 24horas, the British journalist received Amaral´s answer, but the interview, if granted, would have to be payed. Amaral issued that he would charge 80 thousand euros, also the same with other broadcasts including Portuguese tv channel TVI.

http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t2098-debts-of-goncalo-amaral-are-around-486-thousand-euros

http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t3832-gonc-s-debts-and-brothers-court-case


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Offline Eleanor


Thank You, DCI.  I needed to see that.  Although I did already have some idea.

Offline Montclair

Would that be with the pretendy PR agency that be used to try to divert finds from the courts?

Or is it a real paying job?

And you actually have the nerve to say that you do not insult and tell lies about Gonçalo Amaral? You seem to be very emotionally involved here.

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OxfordBloo

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And you actually have the nerve to say that you do not insult Gonçalo Amaral?

The Portuguese courts in his bankruptcy hearing decided that his "PR" agency was a vehicle to protect his estate from seizure.

What other job does he have?

Offline Montclair

The Portuguese courts in his bankruptcy hearing decided that his "PR" agency was a vehicle to protect his estate from seizure.

What other job does he have?

What bankruptcy hearing?