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stephen25000

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Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2015, 11:51:34 AM »
Yes, putting themselves in the public eye.

and .............................

Offline G-Unit

Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2015, 11:56:04 AM »
It is there in simple English.

The McCanns have been phenomenally successful at utilising the media.

Unfortunately it has not found Madeleine but all the same gained publicity that may have helped.

If you were prepared to spend the same amount of money on employing PR companies and spin doctors you could be just as successful in utilising the media as the Mccanns. According to Lord Bell they paid Bell Pottinger half a million to keep them in the papers for a year. Hanover had £30.000 for two month's work.
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Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2015, 11:57:03 AM »
and .............................

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That is incorrect under English law. The rights of people regarding the press are different according to set criteria. Those who earn their living in the public eye have less protection than private citizens. Merely being the objects of interest (like the McCanns, Christopher Jeffries, the persons arrested in the missing woman case etc.) does not result in loss of private status. The McCanns have te same right to privacy as you and I.
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Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2015, 12:48:48 PM »
and .............................

English law still guarantees their position as private citizens and they are not seen as public figures.

Only McCann [ censored word ]s say that they are public figures a d they are wrong.

Read the Chris Jeffries case- people charged with crimes do not become public figures if heir notoriety is purely to do with being charged.

To lose protection you must earn your living in the public arena and previously used news media to advance ones career.

Offline Montclair

Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2015, 01:27:01 PM »
That is incorrect under English law. The rights of people regarding the press are different according to set criteria. Those who earn their living in the public eye have less protection than private citizens. Merely being the objects of interest (like the McCanns, Christopher Jeffries, the persons arrested in the missing woman case etc.) does not result in loss of private status. The McCanns have te same right to privacy as you and I.

The other exception to private privilege is people acting on behalf of the state. This even goes for application of libel laws where public servants have reduced rights to sue for libel if they were acting in their formal role- this is seen as necessary to hold state power to account.

I have written no personal insults about Amaral, but have merely pointed out the facts about him


The McCanns have a right to privacy? After all those photoshoots with the twins faces not pixelled, Kate letting everyone know that she couldn't make love to Gerry, Madeleine's perfect genitals. And their documentary showing Kate and the children in the kitchen? Now we have an article on how the McCanns are with Kate's father because he is poorly from his Parkinsons. This is to gain sympathy, nothing more. The public didn't really need to know this.

The problem really isn't about protecting these people's private lives. What they want at all costs is to prevent any information about the investigation to get out in the UK.

When are you going to stop writing the lie that it was "his" investigation? He was not a lead detective, the investigation was under the authority of the Ministério Público and the judges.

How do you know that Gonçalo Amaral wrote the book to get rich? He states that he wrote the book to defend his honour and that of the PJ and the investigation.

Of course, his finances are not too good at the moment because the McCanns had his assets frozen so that he would not have the financial means to defend himself. It infuriates them that people are supporting him by donating to the defense fund.
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Offline jassi

Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2015, 01:28:24 PM »
Doesn't her role as some sort of ambassador put her in the public domain?
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Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2015, 04:58:51 PM »
Phonemically successful ???

In what respect exactly ?

Madeleine's fate remains unknown, as is the cause of her disappearance.
Perhaps you could name a more internationally famous missing child?

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2015, 05:51:26 PM »
The McCanns have a right to privacy? After all those photoshoots with the twins faces not pixelled, Kate letting everyone know that she couldn't make love to Gerry, Madeleine's perfect genitals. And their documentary showing Kate and the children in the kitchen? Now we have an article on how the McCanns are with Kate's father because he is poorly from his Parkinsons. This is to gain sympathy, nothing more. The public didn't really need to know this.

The problem really isn't about protecting these people's private lives. What they want at all costs is to prevent any information about the investigation to get out in the UK.

When are you going to stop writing the lie that it was "his" investigation? He was not a lead detective, the investigation was under the authority of the Ministério Público and the judges.

How do you know that Gonçalo Amaral wrote the book to get rich? He states that he wrote the book to defend his honour and that of the PJ and the investigation.

Of course, his finances are not too good at the moment because the McCanns had his assets frozen so that he would not have the financial means to defend himself. It infuriates them that people are supporting him by donating to the defense fund.

If Amaral had simply wanted to write a book to defend his honour, then he could have donated all proceeds to a charity.  Instead of splashing out on the suits, the hat, the Jag, the parties, the earring (??!).  He made a bit of money and started spending like a drunken sailor. 

I understand his finances were none too good before the McCanns were even heard of - the unpiad mortgage, the tax bils, the family debts, the court cases.  Hewas in a financial mess.  And saw Madeleines plight as a way out.    [ moderated ]

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Offline Carana

Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2015, 06:10:08 PM »
JK Rowling is clearly known worldwide, but has sought to keep her private life out of the media, particularly concerning her kids. The intrusion into private life was an issue in the Leveson Inquiry.

The Beckhams appear to have a different and presumably mutually lucrative press arrangement involving snapshots of "family life"...
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Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2015, 06:14:44 PM »
Even that doesn't seem quite clear to me.

JK Rowling is clearly known worldwide, but has sought to keep her private life out of the media, particularly concerning her kids. The intrusion into private life was an issue in the Leveson Inquiry.

The Beckhams appear to have a different and presumably mutually lucrative press arrangement involving snapshots of "family life"...

It is decided on the level of use the celebrity has made of their family- the Beckham have been happy to display their children ads part of Team Beckham, whereas others have been careful to protectors of their personal life.

Offline Carana

Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2015, 06:32:21 PM »
It is decided on the level of use the celebrity has made of their family- the Beckham have been happy to display their children ads part of Team Beckham, whereas others have been careful to protectors of their personal life.

Agreed. I don't see how one can lump all so-called "celebrities" or people who happen to be of media interest in the same basket. 

Not all individuals are known to the public by choice.

Not all so-called "celebrities" (even if their work requires photo shoots or media appearances on occasion) want to parade their children in public in a sustained manner.

Some appear to be quite content to do so, but even they must have an arrangement for press down time.


stephen25000

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Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2015, 06:38:15 PM »
Perhaps you could name a more internationally famous missing child?

and was has all that publicity achieved ?

Answer in the real world please.

OxfordBloo

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Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2015, 06:39:36 PM »
and was has all that publicity achieved ?

Arrange into a well known phrase or saying?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2015, 06:46:51 PM »
and was has all that publicity achieved ?

Answer in the real world please.
In terms of reuniting them with their daughter, nothing.  So do you think they were wrong to ensure that Madeleine has become the most recognisable missing child in the world then?  If so, why do you think that?

stephen25000

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Re: On Human Behaviour, Morality and Criminality
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2015, 06:49:44 PM »
In terms of reuniting them with their daughter, nothing.  So do you think they were wrong to ensure that Madeleine has become the most recognisable missing child in the world then?  If so, why do you think that?

and all the publicity has resulted in NOTHING.

Like I have said, with all this publicity not one trace of her has been found, and it doesn't take a genius to work out why.