The Tapas Note.

[Robittybob1]

The booking, she said, was made by an insistent man on Sunday, not by Rachael on Monday;

She remembers that on Sunday 29th April one of the elements of the group arrived with the child Madeleine McCann, she does not know his name and can only say that he was male and tall and thin and that he approached her to request a booking for the whole group, for the whole week and always at 20.30.

When questioned, she confirms that the man was not the father of the girl but one of the members of the group whom was often seen in his company.

The man justified his request by saying that the group had many small children whom they would leave alone when they went to dine. She said that at intervals some two parents would go to the apartments to see if everything was OK.

The deponent made some comments about the request, saying that the Tapas received many requests and that MW only had a quota of 20 per day, but upon the insistence of the guest she managed to make the bookings requested.
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUISA_COUTINHO.htm

Does anyone know who of the Tapas 9 made the block booking?  "She remembers that on Sunday 29th April one of the elements of the group arrived with the child Madeleine McCann, she does not know his name and can only say that he was male and tall and thin and that he approached her to request a booking for the whole group, for the whole week and always at 20.30."  makes it sound like either Russell or Matt.  But what Jane was quoted as saying I thought that ruled her out.
", but some of the people on the holiday were quite sort of ‘Oh we’ll ask, we’ll get this’, you know, a bit like booking the Tapas Restaurant every night, I don’t think it would ever have crossed Russell and my mind to try and get a block booking,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm"

That leaves Matt and Rachael making the block booking: is that right?

[G-Unit]

Does anyone know who of the Tapas 9 made the block booking?  "She remembers that on Sunday 29th April one of the elements of the group arrived with the child Madeleine McCann, she does not know his name and can only say that he was male and tall and thin and that he approached her to request a booking for the whole group, for the whole week and always at 20.30."  makes it sound like either Russell or Matt.  But what Jane was quoted as saying I thought that ruled her out.
", but some of the people on the holiday were quite sort of ‘Oh we’ll ask, we’ll get this’, you know, a bit like booking the Tapas Restaurant every night, I don’t think it would ever have crossed Russell and my mind to try and get a block booking,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm"

That leaves Matt and Rachael making the block booking: is that right?

According to Russell the two men who seemed most proactive and interested in getting what they wanted were  Dave and Matthew. He was allegedly there when the block booking was made, as were others;

There were emails between us as a group, mainly exchanged with Matt and Dave..... I am aware that David had made various requests to the Mark Warner Company..........I am aware that Matt had replied to an email sent by Dave, and by mistake had included Mark Warner on the same reply I recall that it said something along the lines of ‘Go Dave Go’.  Dave is quite certain about what he expects from things, and is quite aware of his consumer rights and entitlements although it seemed to be quite trivial to me at the time.

So we made one-off booking to eat at the Tapas on the Sunday, as I say, I think that was Rachael.  Erm, but I might be confusing it with the, the next day, where there were only a certain number of us around and I think Rachael made, asked, was asking if there was a block booking and I can certainly remember being stood, erm, around, there was a number of the group, erm, with her at the time, but I think it was Rachael that asked”.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

[Brietta]

There is no argument that a block booking of the tapas was made.
There is no argument that a note of it was made.

The issue would appear to be who had access to that information.

As has been discussed by members, logically the note was written in Portuguese.  If so, that would rule out a casual observation from another guest who wasn't a Portuguese speaker.

So who knew about the dining arrangement ... and to whom might that information have been imparted?  Access to keys and associated burglaries are a recurrent theme in Madeleine's case ... as the attempts at playing down any connection illustrate (was it in his documentary that Amaral stood at the front door of apartment five while someone demonstrated being unable to slip the lock with a credit card?).
I've always wondered why he did that.

[Robittybob1]

There is no argument that a block booking of the tapas was made.
There is no argument that a note of it was made.

The issue would appear to be who had access to that information.

As has been discussed by members, logically the note was written in Portuguese.  If so, that would rule out a casual observation from another guest who wasn't a Portuguese speaker.

So who knew about the dining arrangement ... and to whom might that information have been imparted?  Access to keys and associated burglaries are a recurrent theme in Madeleine's case ... as the attempts at playing down any connection illustrate (was it in his documentary that Amaral stood at the front door of apartment five while someone demonstrated being unable to slip the lock with a credit card?).
I've always wondered why he did that.

Certainly the block booking by the Tapas 9 used up an unfair chunk of the quota allowed to Mark Warner clients.  If it was discussed among the other guests there might have been a degree of annoyance due to this fact.
Was there a degree of retaliation involved?

I would like to see that video again for they talked about some mechanism that prevented the use of a credit card, and  that information would be most useful in the threads discussing the front door and the key.

[ShiningInLuz]

There is no argument that a block booking of the tapas was made.
There is no argument that a note of it was made.

The issue would appear to be who had access to that information.

As has been discussed by members, logically the note was written in Portuguese.  If so, that would rule out a casual observation from another guest who wasn't a Portuguese speaker.

So who knew about the dining arrangement ... and to whom might that information have been imparted?  Access to keys and associated burglaries are a recurrent theme in Madeleine's case ... as the attempts at playing down any connection illustrate (was it in his documentary that Amaral stood at the front door of apartment five while someone demonstrated being unable to slip the lock with a credit card?).
I've always wondered why he did that.

Since I have seen nothing substantive yet about this alleged note, there very definitely is debate about whether such a note existed, and if so what form it took, what it said, and who had access to it.

You are entitled to your opinion, as long as you present it as your opinion.

If you present it as fact, kindly supply the evidence to support your claim.

[Robittybob1]

Since I have seen nothing substantive yet about this alleged note, there very definitely is debate about whether such a note existed, and if so what form it took, what it said, and who had access to it.

You are entitled to your opinion, as long as you present it as your opinion.

If you present it as fact, kindly supply the evidence to support your claim.

Kate writes about it in her book - it is a fact.

[G-Unit]

There is no argument that a block booking of the tapas was made.
There is no argument that a note of it was made.

The issue would appear to be who had access to that information.

As has been discussed by members, logically the note was written in Portuguese.  If so, that would rule out a casual observation from another guest who wasn't a Portuguese speaker.

So who knew about the dining arrangement ... and to whom might that information have been imparted?  Access to keys and associated burglaries are a recurrent theme in Madeleine's case ... as the attempts at playing down any connection illustrate (was it in his documentary that Amaral stood at the front door of apartment five while someone demonstrated being unable to slip the lock with a credit card?).
I've always wondered why he did that.

The block booking and the note are facts, but when they were done and by whom is not clear. As to whether the note played any role in the disappearance of Madeleine that's unknown. Given that most of the Tapas staff seemed aware of the checking, as did other guests, I see no reason to speculate about the note and ignore the possibility that the group could have become quite notorious during the week because of their childcare arrangements. People gossip on holiday just as they do at home.

[Brietta]

Since I have seen nothing substantive yet about this alleged note, there very definitely is debate about whether such a note existed, and if so what form it took, what it said, and who had access to it.

You are entitled to your opinion, as long as you present it as your opinion.

If you present it as fact, kindly supply the evidence to support your claim.

The provenance for the note comes from two individuals with access to the files which are not in the public domain.  One with access at the time in question who apparently failed to grasp the significance of such an entry.
One with subsequent access who immediately grasped the significance with horror.

The time to check for those with legitimate access or those who had the opportunity for illegitimate access is a diligence it would have been appropriate to investigate at the time.

In the early days of your posting here I believe you had an interest in the trail of contact and who knew what of initial bookings and arrangements which might have impinged on Madeleine's disappearance.
Knowing for a fact the approximate times the children were unsupervised by an adult is extremely relevant to your interest of that time ... imo.

[Benice]

The block booking and the note are facts, but when they were done and by whom is not clear. As to whether the note played any role in the disappearance of Madeleine that's unknown. Given that most of the Tapas staff seemed aware of the checking, as did other guests, I see no reason to speculate about the note and ignore the possibility that the group could have become quite notorious during the week because of their childcare arrangements. People gossip on holiday just as they do at home.

Your use of the word notorious is bordering on being libellous IMO.   Would you describe Butlins or MW as companies who were 'notorious' for offering the listening service to parents - thousands upon thousands of whom happily signed up for it.    Would you describe all those parents as being 'notorious' for their choice of childcare arrangements?

The constant attempts to portray the McCanns and their friends as the only people who ever used the Listening type of childcare whilst on holiday - are ludicrous IMO.  As is the idea that other parents were so overcome with  shock/horror!  - they spent their holiday gossiping about it amongst themselves.

AIMHO

[ShiningInLuz]

Kate writes about it in her book - it is a fact.

It is a fact that Kate writes about it in her book.

The PJ Files do not substantiate this.

[ShiningInLuz]

The provenance for the note comes from two individuals with access to the files which are not in the public domain.  One with access at the time in question who apparently failed to grasp the significance of such an entry.
One with subsequent access who immediately grasped the significance with horror.

The time to check for those with legitimate access or those who had the opportunity for illegitimate access is a diligence it would have been appropriate to investigate at the time.

In the early days of your posting here I believe you had an interest in the trail of contact and who knew what of initial bookings and arrangements which might have impinged on Madeleine's disappearance.
Knowing for a fact the approximate times the children were unsupervised by an adult is extremely relevant to your interest of that time ... imo.

The 'provenance' comes from Amaralo, who says the note is about the parents checking children.

Or from Kate, who claims it exists, but there is no evidence thereof.

There is no 'provenance'.

[Mr Gray]

'Sling mud at the McCann'?

Oh dear.

I have yet to find a single person in Luz who is anti-Madeleine.

To go further, I cannot remember ever seeing a comment in Portuguese media that is anti-Madeleine.

my post said anti mccann not anti madeleine

[Mr Gray]

davel,

You have received a warning for posting inappropriate criticism of this forum. This is not the first time you have made such comments.

If you wish to remain a member I suggest you consider such responses extremely carefully in future.

Regards,
The UK Justice Forum Team.

I dont wish to remain a member......the forum has no credibility

[sadie]

There is no argument that a block booking of the tapas was made.
There is no argument that a note of it was made.

The issue would appear to be who had access to that information.

As has been discussed by members, logically the note was written in Portuguese.  If so, that would rule out a casual observation from another guest who wasn't a Portuguese speaker.

So who knew about the dining arrangement ... and to whom might that information have been imparted?  Access to keys and associated burglaries are a recurrent theme in Madeleine's case ... as the attempts at playing down any connection illustrate (was it in his documentary that Amaral stood at the front door of apartment five while someone demonstrated being unable to slip the lock with a credit card?).
I've always wondered why he did that.

And later solemnly pronounced that no-one could get in via that front door, despite the burglaries in that VERY block where entrance had been by key  %£&)**# .... with a window ready for a fast escape (at least in Mrs Fenns case, dont know about the others).   


The note was written in Portuguese, was it?   

&%+((£   Hmmm

[G-Unit]

Your use of the word notorious is bordering on being libellous IMO.   Would you describe Butlins or MW as companies who were 'notorious' for offering the listening service to parents - thousands upon thousands of whom happily signed up for it.    Would you describe all those parents as being 'notorious' for their choice of childcare arrangements?

The constant attempts to portray the McCanns and their friends as the only people who ever used the Listening type of childcare whilst on holiday - are ludicrous IMO.  As is the idea that other parents were so overcome with  shock/horror!  - they spent their holiday gossiping about it amongst themselves.

AIMHO

At the Ocean Club that week one group left their children unsupervised in their apartments while they went out for dinner. In order to make it possible to check on their children they wanted to dine at the Tapas every evening. The rule was that the Tapas bookings were done daily, but to save themselves the bother they persuaded or insisted on being allowed a block booking for the week. By doing that they attracted the attention of both staff and other guests.

I think it's perfectly feasible that the situation was discussed. I can imagine staff asking each other where people had gone.were going. I can imagine guests telling others they couldn't get into the Tapas and the reason why  group of nine managed to get in every night being discussed.

The group were noticeable because what they were doing at the Ocean Club was out of the ordinary and impacting on other's choices.