The Tapas Note.

[Robittybob1]

The claim that entrance was made via the sliding door to avoid waking the children was in the documentary 'Madeleine was here'.

The problem is this explanation does not tie up with the statement:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

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----- That they left the house by the main door, that he was sure he locked, it being that the rear door was also closed and locked. They were the first to arrive at the TAPAS where everyone showed up except only for MATHEW, who was still ill.

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They entered through the front door on this night.

By the Wed 2nd the statement states:

----- On Wednesday night, 2 May 2007, as well as he and his wife, he thinks that DavidP also went to his apartment to confirm that his children were well, not having reported to him any abnormal situation with the children. On this day he and KATE had already left the rear door closed, but not locked, to allow entrance by their colleagues to check on the children.

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i.e. the rear door was left open to facilitate 'entrance by their colleagues to check on the children.'

DavidP categorically denied making any checks on the children in his rogatory statement.

The Wed 2nd is also the night of the 'crying incident'.

What all this means is not clear to me, but the status of the doors through the week is an open question IMO.

No matter what happened the other nights on Thursday the patio door was unlocked.

[G-Unit]

No matter what happened the other nights on Thursday the patio door was unlocked.

I think that needs an imo, imo.

[Robittybob1]

I think that needs an imo, imo.

I was sure that has been established as a fact.   Are you disputing the fact that the patio door was left unlocked on the Thursday night?

[Benice]

Why did Russell claim he did go to the McCann's, I wonder? Why would Gerry's colleagues check his kids when he and his wife never returned the favour?

On Sunday I recall I checked Kate and Gerry’s apartment as well as Rachael and Matt’s. I had taken Matt’s keys and I believe that their door was deadlocked the same as ours and that I would have needed to turn the key two times.  We kept our shutters down, and the patio door was closed I am not sure whether theirs was the same.  I recall that Kate and Gerry’s apartment was accessed by the patios door which was left closed and unlocked.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

Because there are a lot of people in this world who will do a kindness for someone else without expecting anything back?   

[G-Unit]

I was sure that has been established as a fact.   Are you disputing the fact that the patio door was left unlocked?

We have been told that it was unlocked. Does that make it a fact?

[G-Unit]

Because there are a lot of people in this world who will do a kindness for someone else without expecting anything back?

There's being kind and there's being used. If I was checking someone else's kids when I checked mine I would expect them to do the same for me.

Saying the patio door was open to allow colleagues to enter is an inadequate explanation anyway, because they didn't. Russell said he did on Sunday, but Gerry said it was locked that evening. So was it unlocked Monday to Thursday to allow Matthew to go in once?

[Benice]

We have been told that it was unlocked. Does that make it a fact?

Unless you can think of a credible reason for so many people to lie about it IMO.       From memory - but didn't Matt say that he left Russell's apartment via their patio door on the 3rd -  in order to take the shortest route to 5a - than go the long way round across the car park etc.      He wouldn't have done that unless he intended to go into 5a via the patio doors imo.

[sadie]

It was a Bar and Restaurant Sadie.

Not a back garden.

It was like a large block 5 communal back garden.
 
My young next door neighbours are in the process of putting a bar in their back garden.  They have a lovely big barbeque, a slide, a play house, sand pit in a table, a man shed is being built soon, they have a fair sized lawn which will (at a guess) soon have goal posts at either end, a basket ball ring, recliners and a small paddle pool in season.  Also terraced area.

In the past, I have had 3 neighbours with their own swimming pool, 2 with tennis courts and even one with three  lakes in the hillside, with gravity fed large fountain in the middle of the lower one.


It was like a large communal back garden.   Just becos it isn't like any gardens that you had in your neighbourhood, doesn't mean that there are not gardens of a generally similar type to 5A tapas area.


And the group of friends were just 50 metres away (crow flies) from 5A patio doors, with the whole patio area illuminated by the street light immediately across the road.

[Robittybob1]

We have been told that it was unlocked. Does that make it a fact?

Well if we are told it was unlocked by several people and there is no evidence to the contrary that would be called a fact IMO.

[stephen25000]

It was like a large block 5 communal back garden.
 
My young next door neighbours are in the process of putting a bar in their back garden.  They have a lovely big barbeque, a slide, a play house, sand pit in a table, a man shed is being built soon, they have a fair sized lawn which will (at a guess) soon have goal posts at either end, a basket ball ring, recliners and a small paddle pool in season.  Also terraced area.

In the past, I have had 3 neighbours with their own swimming pool, 2 with tennis courts and even one with three  lakes in the hillside, with gravity fed large fountain in the middle of the lower one.


It was like a large communal back garden.   Just becos it isn't like any gardens that you had in your neighbourhood, doesn't mean that there are not gardens of a generally similar type to 5A tapas area.


And the group of friends were just 50 metres away (crow flies) from 5A patio doors, with the whole patio area illuminated by the street light immediately across the road.

It was not their garden.

It was a bar and restaurant.

No more, no less.

[G-Unit]

Well if we are told it was unlocked by several people and there is no evidence to the contrary that would be called a fact IMO.

Who are these several people? Four out of nine say they used that door, one of whom allegedly did it when it was supposed to be locked. That leaves three people who said it was unlocked on 3rd, two of whom were the last people to see the missing child.

[G-Unit]

Unless you can think of a credible reason for so many people to lie about it IMO.       From memory - but didn't Matt say that he left Russell's apartment via their patio door on the 3rd -  in order to take the shortest route to 5a - than go the long way round across the car park etc.      He wouldn't have done that unless he intended to go into 5a via the patio doors imo.

Matthew, from memory, never mentioned Russell's patio doors.

[G-Unit]

It was like a large block 5 communal back garden.
 
My young next door neighbours are in the process of putting a bar in their back garden.  They have a lovely big barbeque, a slide, a play house, sand pit in a table, a man shed is being built soon, they have a fair sized lawn which will (at a guess) soon have goal posts at either end, a basket ball ring, recliners and a small paddle pool in season.  Also terraced area.

In the past, I have had 3 neighbours with their own swimming pool, 2 with tennis courts and even one with three  lakes in the hillside, with gravity fed large fountain in the middle of the lower one.


It was like a large communal back garden.   Just becos it isn't like any gardens that you had in your neighbourhood, doesn't mean that there are not gardens of a generally similar type to 5A tapas area.


And the group of friends were just 50 metres away (crow flies) from 5A patio doors, with the whole patio area illuminated by the street light immediately across the road.

I live in a gated community and we have communal gardens. They are, of course, within the gates and fences, not down the road a bit and open to all and sundry.

[misty]

Why did Russell claim he did go to the McCann's, I wonder? Why would Gerry's colleagues check his kids when he and his wife never returned the favour?

On Sunday I recall I checked Kate and Gerry’s apartment as well as Rachael and Matt’s. I had taken Matt’s keys and I believe that their door was deadlocked the same as ours and that I would have needed to turn the key two times.  We kept our shutters down, and the patio door was closed I am not sure whether theirs was the same.  I recall that Kate and Gerry’s apartment was accessed by the patios door which was left closed and unlocked.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

Matthew didn't go to dinner on the Sunday night so Russell was mistaken over which day he took Matt's keys.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

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Erm, but I started feeling a little bit queasy in the evening and then the, erm, the Saturday evening into the Sunday morning I was actually throwing up, which is just incredibly rare for me. So I felt completely icky all the day Sunday, so I think to try and avoid infecting anybody else, I didn't do much outside the apartment and certainly in the evening I didn't go for, erm, didn't go for dinner with everybody else'

[John]

It was like a large block 5 communal back garden.
 
My young next door neighbours are in the process of putting a bar in their back garden.  They have a lovely big barbeque, a slide, a play house, sand pit in a table, a man shed is being built soon, they have a fair sized lawn which will (at a guess) soon have goal posts at either end, a basket ball ring, recliners and a small paddle pool in season.  Also terraced area.

In the past, I have had 3 neighbours with their own swimming pool, 2 with tennis courts and even one with three  lakes in the hillside, with gravity fed large fountain in the middle of the lower one.


It was like a large communal back garden.   Just becos it isn't like any gardens that you had in your neighbourhood, doesn't mean that there are not gardens of a generally similar type to 5A tapas area.


And the group of friends were just 50 metres away (crow flies) from 5A patio doors, with the whole patio area illuminated by the street light immediately across the road.

It mattered little whether it was 50 yards or 500 yards, the children were still in danger if left for extended periods.