On Scientific Method and Forensic Procedure

[Carana]

Dr Marietta Higgs and reflex anal dilation spring to mind.
May God preserve us from the zealots.

I don't find her to be a zealot, but someone who is also human.

To be fair, she did present the findings to a peer panel and amended the report in consequence.

The zealots (IMO) are those who present partial reports as being the final analysis in order to pursue a particular agenda.

Correction: my mistake: I'd confused two female doctors in two different cases.

[Alice Purjorick]

I don't find her to be a zealot, but someone who is also human.

To be fair, she did present the findings to a peer panel and amended the report in consequence.

The zealots (IMO) are those who present partial reports as being the final analysis in order to pursue a particular agenda.

In the Cleveland case 94 out of 121 "diagnoses" were considered incorrect and the judge criticised Dr Higgs for the small sample used in her research.

[Carana]

Dr Marietta Higgs and reflex anal dilation spring to mind.
May God preserve us from the zealots.

Apologies. I'd got Dr Higgs confused with Dr Hode in a different case.

[Alice Purjorick]

Apologies. I'd got Dr Higgs confused with Dr Hode in a different case.

No problem 

[Carana]

No problem 

I've checked a few articles so far... and I see what you were referring to.

How sad.

[Alice Purjorick]

I've checked a few articles so far... and I see what you were referring to.

How sad.

Even sadder the NHS seemingly took no action except to shunt her up a siding.

[Mr Gray]

I agree. Forensic science is only as good as the interpretation put on it.

There are quite a few people on forums...who think they are experts...who are misunderstanding both the dog and DNA evidence.

[ShiningInLuz]

Scientific Method and Forensic Procedure have many similarities and are essentially the application of the same process based on assumption of ignorance.

Both avoid assumption, belief, guesswork, politics and other weak methods of assessing a situation.

Scientific Method has disclosed more real and substantial defensible knowledge than any other method.

Forensic method involving assumptions of ignorance and innocence are seen as the best way to avoid false legal decisions in criminal cases.

This places the entire burden of proof on the proposer of a contention.

The fact that those basic building bricks of our legal and knowledge systems are ignored her in favour of bias, belief, gut feeling, and exercise of pore rather than rationality and fairness explains why so much ignorance still exists here.

And if there was killer forensics, the case would have been closed years ago.  So why the dig about ignorance here?

[Mr Gray]

And if there was killer forensics, the case would have been closed years ago.  So why the dig about ignorance here?

the lack of forensics should not encourage posters to use gut feeling and misinterpret the forensics...taht's what the dig about ignorance is about. I would say 100% of amaral's supporters misunderstand the dog's alerts.

[Carana]

the lack of forensics should not encourage posters to use gut feeling and misinterpret the forensics...taht's what the dig about ignorance is about. I would say 100% of amaral's supporters misunderstand the dog's alerts.

I don't have a problem with the fact that some people support Amaral. They could be family, friends, people who were born or grew up in the same geographical area, former colleagues... whatever, and who influenced a few other people by acquaintanceship.

I guess that that's a natural reaction for some to close ranks.

However, it doesn't mean that I have to agree with what clearly appears to me as cringe-worthy evidence that he didn't actually understand either the dogs or the DNA... nor allowed for the fact that police statements were taken in a rush, seemingly without translations prior to signature. 

[pathfinder73]

the lack of forensics should not encourage posters to use gut feeling and misinterpret the forensics...taht's what the dig about ignorance is about. I would say 100% of amaral's supporters misunderstand the dog's alerts.

We don't misunderstand them. The police are using that lead to find proof of death. If they can prove it then things will quickly change. It will no longer be a missing child case but a murder investigation.

[Mr Gray]

In the Cleveland case 94 out of 121 "diagnoses" were considered incorrect and the judge criticised Dr Higgs for the small sample used in her research.

you should understand that most doctors are extremely good...there will always be some who make mistakes but you should not judge the whole profession by these

[Carana]

We don't misunderstand them. The police are using that lead to find proof of death. If they can prove it then things will quickly change. It will no longer be a missing child case but a murder investigation.

Who is "we"? And what do whoever "we" may be understand or misunderstand?

[Carana]

you should understand that most doctors are extremely good...there will always be some who make mistakes but you should not judge the whole profession by these

Of course professionals can make mistakes, just as many professionals can be correct in their assessments. Personally, I doubt that I would undergo a lobotomy without a specialist peer review.

My impression is that Alice was trying to be serious, although I could be mistaken. Hard to know sometimes.

[pathfinder73]

Who is "we"? And what do whoever "we" may be understand or misunderstand?

We here know the dogs evidence needs to be corroborated to be proved.