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Offline jassi

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #225 on: June 03, 2015, 10:16:09 AM »

In the real world neither of Madeleine's parents are chained up in a dungeon ... while Scotland Yard and the Polícia Judiciária are looking for an abductor who is a stranger to the family.  Interesting to say the least.

               Then there is the seldom mentioned elephant in the room ... ARGUIDOS.

We certainly haven't heard anything of them for quite a while - do any still exist?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #226 on: June 03, 2015, 10:39:07 AM »
The legal report said all theories remained possible, although it's opinion was that it seemed more likely that the child was dead;

it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

But therefore we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann
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Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #227 on: June 03, 2015, 10:42:58 AM »
The legal report said all theories remained possible, although it's opinion was that it seemed more likely that the child was dead;

it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

But therefore we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm
But not that it was more likely she died in the apartment - glad that's cleared that one up then.

Offline jassi

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #228 on: June 03, 2015, 10:53:44 AM »
But not that it was more likely she died in the apartment - glad that's cleared that one up then.


No, it was Inspector Redwood who mentioned her possible demise in the apartment.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #229 on: June 03, 2015, 10:56:08 AM »

No, it was Inspector Redwood who mentioned her possible demise in the apartment.

Of course Maddie may have died in the apt....Redwood also said the parents are not suspects

Offline Carana

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #230 on: June 03, 2015, 10:56:29 AM »
The legal report said all theories remained possible, although it's opinion was that it seemed more likely that the child was dead;

it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

But therefore we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

"...nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely."


I see nothing in that about EVIDENCE indicating that she is more likely to be dead. In context, that was written 14 months after the event and - sadly - in the absence of a parental abduction scenario, not that many children missing for so long are found alive, although luckily some have been - with perhaps more hitting the media since her disappearance.

Personally, I can't think of anything worse than that state of limbo.


Offline faithlilly

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #231 on: June 03, 2015, 11:00:43 AM »

No, it was Inspector Redwood who mentioned her possible demise in the apartment.

It was indeed jassi. And what is the likelihood of Eddie scenting the smell of cadaver and that cadaver not being Madeleine ? Of course for that to be the case the child would have to have died at least 90 minutes before the 10pm alert putting the McCanns very much in the frame.

Of course if any supporter has another scenario I'd be glad to hear it.
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Offline Benice

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #232 on: June 03, 2015, 11:09:06 AM »

No, it was Inspector Redwood who mentioned her possible demise in the apartment.

This is true Jassi , but IIRC it was made in relation to his info to the public about the monster who had sexually assaulted so many British children in their own apartments, and in their own beds - and not connected in any way to the McCanns.

This has previously been discussed here at length. 
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #233 on: June 03, 2015, 11:10:38 AM »
It was indeed jassi. And what is the likelihood of Eddie scenting the smell of cadaver and that cadaver not being Madeleine ? Of course for that to be the case the child would have to have died at least 90 minutes before the 10pm alert putting the McCanns very much in the frame.

Of course if any supporter has another scenario I'd be glad to hear it.
Hmm.  Well let's see.  Imagine (horrible to do, I know and please forgive me)  that Shannon Matthews was killed and removed from the apartment shortly before the police got there to do a search with dogs.  The dog would still have alerted but would it have been alerting to Shannon's body? 

Offline jassi

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #234 on: June 03, 2015, 11:11:46 AM »
It was indeed jassi. And what is the likelihood of Eddie scenting the smell of cadaver and that cadaver not being Madeleine ? Of course for that to be the case the child would have to have died at least 90 minutes before the 10pm alert putting the McCanns very much in the frame.

Of course if any supporter has another scenario I'd be glad to hear it.


You can see why they don't like the dogs.
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Online Eleanor

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #235 on: June 03, 2015, 11:14:43 AM »

You can see why they don't like the dogs.

Scotland Yard don't seem too keen either.

Offline jassi

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #236 on: June 03, 2015, 11:16:52 AM »
Scotland Yard don't seem too keen either.

What have they said? Do tell us more .
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #237 on: June 03, 2015, 11:20:04 AM »

You can see why they don't like the dogs.
Who has said they don't like the dogs?

Online Eleanor

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #238 on: June 03, 2015, 11:20:39 AM »
What have they said? Do tell us more .

The McCanns are not suspects.

Offline jassi

Re: Why the abduction theory is both improbable and implausible...
« Reply #239 on: June 03, 2015, 11:22:55 AM »
The McCanns are not suspects.


Good avoidance, there    @)(++(*  8@??)(
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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