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stephen25000

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Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #690 on: June 20, 2015, 07:59:14 PM »
I thought the view was the UK police supported him...more lies


Try to get it right dave.

As per usual , you are being economical with thge truth.

No change there.

stephen25000

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Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #691 on: June 20, 2015, 08:00:23 PM »
Well prove me wrong then. 

 Interference in the case  by whom?   

 Where is your evidence that Amaral did not break the Secrecy laws by talking to a journalist?

Oh dear.

Here we go again on the merry-go-round.

Offline Benice

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #692 on: June 20, 2015, 08:16:58 PM »
Oh dear.

Here we go again on the merry-go-round.

I'm merely asking you to back up your claims with the evidence you have for making them.   That is normal practice on this forum so what is there to object to in that request?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #693 on: June 20, 2015, 08:28:43 PM »
I'm merely asking you to back up your claims with the evidence you have for making them.   That is normal practice on this forum so what is there to object to in that request?

Now where exactly in my post did I mention see recycling laws Benice ?

Do you enjoy making things up ?

Offline Benice

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #694 on: June 20, 2015, 08:47:11 PM »
Now where exactly in my post did I mention see recycling laws Benice ?

Do you enjoy making things up ?

Why the personal abuse?  I haven't been rude to you.

I see you have no intention of supplying any evidence - so I'll draw my own conclusions.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #695 on: June 20, 2015, 08:59:11 PM »
Why the personal abuse?  I haven't been rude to you.

I see you have no intention of supplying any evidence - so I'll draw my own conclusions.

I drew mine about you along time ago.

P.S. It wasn't abuse.

Offline faithlilly

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #696 on: June 20, 2015, 09:31:54 PM »
Believe what you want.  I know for a fact that Facebook "sceptic" groups and forums actively seek out new recruits to bolster "Maddie's Army" of justice seekers.   They do this by tweeting links to pages and sites, and by getting existing members to add their own friends. Numbers are very important to the justice seekers, hence why people like you like to compare and contrast numbers of donors to Amaral's Fund vs Kate's charity bike ridde, for instance.  It gives you great comfort because you believe the numbers tell you that your crusade is just and that the army is growing and that collectively your 8 year "truth" campaign is bearing fruit.

Explain to me Alfie what would be the use of anyone adding their friends to a Facebook group when firstly the friend is not interested in the case and secondly will remove themselves at the first opportunity ? As to posting or tweeting  links to pages and sites, there is no one more guilty of that than you and your compadres.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #697 on: June 20, 2015, 10:24:53 PM »
Explain to me Alfie what would be the use of anyone adding their friends to a Facebook group when firstly the friend is not interested in the case and secondly will remove themselves at the first opportunity ? As to posting or tweeting  links to pages and sites, there is no one more guilty of that than you and your compadres.
The point of adding people to your groups is to swell numbers and convert people to the cause of course.  Some people may choose to remove themselves but some might be persuaded by the myths you lot peddle that there is something worth staying for. 

Please provide evidence of me posting and tweeting links to pages an sites please.  I have linked to a science paper about scent dogs but never to a propaganda site, unlike yourself and your devotion to the Stud Muffin's blog that you never cease to promote.

Offline Brietta

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #698 on: June 20, 2015, 10:54:02 PM »
I don't understand the type of person who with malice aforethought indulges in vicious attacks on Madeleine McCann's parents and who have kept up concerted campaigns intended for their detriment.
The fact that these onslaughts have continued for over eight years is beyond reason and belief.

                 What is the justification?  Who benefits?  Most certainly not Madeleine.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #699 on: June 20, 2015, 10:56:12 PM »
The point of adding people to your groups is to swell numbers and convert people to the cause of course.  Some people may choose to remove themselves but some might be persuaded by the myths you lot peddle that there is something worth staying for. 

Absolutely right.  To swell numbers and spread propaganda.

To hurt The Mccanns and to try and change the public perception of Amaral.

Offline sadie

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #700 on: June 20, 2015, 11:06:08 PM »
I don't understand the type of person who with malice aforethought indulges in vicious attacks on Madeleine McCann's parents and who have kept up concerted campaigns intended for their detriment.
The fact that these onslaughts have continued for over eight years is beyond reason and belief.

                 What is the justification?  Who benefits?  Most certainly not Madeleine.

 8@??)( 8@??)(

There are only two reasons that I can think of.

1)  Because the attacking type person gets pleasure out of trying to destroy The Mccanns.  It makes them feel big and important to bully people who never answer back.

2)  The attacking person is part of a group desperately trying to hide what really happened, cos if "they" are found out, their money making and /or pleasure making ventures will be exposed.  They might lose a lot of income or end up in jail.

Maybe both.


Any other suggestions Faith? 
Please do not say that it is getting Justice for Madeleine, cos that is plainly untrue

Offline mercury

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #701 on: June 20, 2015, 11:14:57 PM »
Well prove me wrong then. 

 Interference in the case  by whom?   

 Where is your evidence that Amaral did not break the Secrecy laws by talking to a journalist?

Where is your evidence that he did? He "slagged off" the UK police to put it one way. See extract from his book.

If anyone broke the secrecy laws it was Jane Tanner but the PJ weren't so peurile as to go after her.

On Monday August 1st, I go back to work at DIC in Portimão, where two pieces of news are waiting for me: officials at Buckingham Palace have received an email informing them that a little girl – Madeleine – has disappeared from a hotel complex situated….in Lisbon! The second was brought to us by an English tourist – Kate – on holiday in Praia da Luz: she allegedly saw a stranger hanging about near the Baptista supermarket in the vicinity of the Ocean Club.

BAD RESPONSE TO A JOURNALIST
This is where we’re at: reduced to receiving that type of tip-off and chasing a phantom, that of the imaginary abductor. This Monday gets off to a bad start, with its load of irritation and preoccupations.

In the evening, while driving, I receive an unidentified phone call, the last straw…A journalist asks me if I want to comment on the subject of the email. Whether due to the difficult day, the raging storm or the fact of driving through rain…I lose my cool. I reply, irritably, without thinking, that the message is of no interest and that it would be better for the English police to occupy themselves with the Portuguese investigation. Even as I am hanging up, I realise that I have not only made a blunder, but I have been unfair towards the majority of the British police who have helped us throughout these difficult months. I drive on, certain that I have triggered a diplomatic incident with predictable consequences: as soon as these simple words are made public, I risk not being able to continue to direct the Portimão Department of Criminal Investigation.

Offline faithlilly

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #702 on: June 21, 2015, 12:19:23 AM »
I think I have posted this in the wrong thread ... but as you have noted in your inimitable style (don't think too many are queuing up to imitate) there are parallels which are striking.  Interestingly it is said that some of the perpetrators had worn staff uniform to allow themselves to blend in. Others had been seen all week ... just other holidaymakers enjoying themselves and relaxing.

Parallels which are striking ? Indeed Brietta, both abduction stories are a load of old ballcocks !


http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/06/19/child-abduction-reports-blown-out-of-proportion-and-wrong/

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Protaras child ‘kidnap’ turns into U.K. media frenzy
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Protaras child ‘kidnap’ turns into U.K. media frenzyCYPRUS


By Constantinos Psillides

BRITISH media reporting on the alleged attempted kidnapping of three youngsters at a Protaras hotel, “has been completely blown out of proportion and it’s all wrong,” an eyewitness has told the Cyprus Mail, as others now believe they “over-reacted” after hearing rumours and “Chinese whispers” that a child kidnap gang was in action.

The incident took place on Tuesday, when guests at a wedding party held at Anastasia hotel in Protaras attacked a Bulgarian man after they apparently thought he had been trying to kidnap their children. Subsequent press reports claimed the alleged abduction attempt had been the work of a gang that had been planning it for days.

Delivery driver from Glasgow James Hagan, 54, dismissed the reports and claimed some of the people involved acknowledged having gone “overboard and over-reacting”, and apologised to the hotel staff.

“There were lots of crazy stories about things that never happened,” he told the Cyprus Mail.

“There was definitely no kidnap attempt. Some of those involved told me later ‘we went overboard’. Some apologised to staff later, saying they over-reacted.”

Another tourist, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that while he wasn’t part of the wedding party that was taking place at the hotel at the time, he witnessed what happened firsthand.

“At some point we heard a large commotion and screams. Somebody attacked a young man yelling ‘Paedophile! Paedophile!’ and then suddenly a group of around 50 people were chasing him,” he said.

“We joined them and chased two people to the front desk, a man and a woman. Police came and took the young man in custody – a 19-year-old Bulgarian — but let the woman go because it turned out that she had nothing to do with the incident; she just happened to be there.”

“That’s what really happened, nothing more,” said the holidaymaker, adding that he was appalled after reading wildly exaggerated news reports on the story.

A Sheffield couple, who are friends with the man who chased and punched the Bulgarian, offered a similar account.

“My friend said this ‘gypsy’ had put his arms around his 7-year-old son in the pool earlier that afternoon,” the couple said.

“His wife shouted the man out, but later she saw him back in the foyer. [My friend] ran in and punched him a few times, hard, shouting ‘You had your arms around my kid in the pool’. He wasn’t shouting anything about kidnap gangs.”

But then, the couple recalled, “loads of people rushed into the foyer, saying ‘that’s the paedo’.”

British media reported that a gang of three persons – two men and one woman, all Romanians – were filming kids and trying to lure them away to a pick-up truck, and that their attempt was foiled at the last minute by a passerby.

The third gang member supposedly left in a getaway car which crashed a short while after leaving the hotel.

“It was Chinese whispers, a lot of rumours,” another eyewitness said.

“[In the foyer, the Bulgarian] looked terrified, he was cowering. I didn’t see him get punched.”

It was also reported that the gang was 18-person strong and that the Romanians where stalking children throughout the week, posing as hotel waiters.

“We saw nothing suspicious all the time we were here and there’s absolutely no truth to the story some of these people were dressed up as waiters,” Hagan said.

“They said that child snatchers were posing as hotel staff. That’s completely ridiculous, I have no idea where they got that from,” the anonymous holidaymaker confirmed.

“I also noticed that some have been connecting this incident to the Madeleine case. That is both wrong and disrespectful,” stressed the holidaymaker, referring to the famous case of then three-year old Madeleine McCann who disappeared from her room while holidaying with her family in a holiday resort in Portugal in 2007.

“I really don’t think there’s a child-trafficking gang in the area, and it’s shameful for the Mirror to bring up Madeleine McCann,” another Briton said.

Tony Blackhurst, a 47-year-old self-employed butcher from Southport, in Cyprus with his wife and 9-year-old daughter, said that while he wasn’t sure what had happened, he and his family still enjoyed their stay.

“A lot of people were blaming the [hotel] staff and Thomas Cook for the security but I feel they were very good throughout and did everything they could,” he said.

“They were very helpful, offering to move families to different hotels if they wanted. They offered to put us in a five-star hotel, which is an upgrade – as this is a four-star. We didn’t want to move because my daughter’s made friends at the hotel and didn’t want to go. We’ve still enjoyed our stay.”

Meanwhile, a source close to the investigation told the Cyprus Mail that the parents of the 19-year old Bulgarian that was arrested are employed by the company that owns Anastasia Beach hotel, Tsokkos Hotels.

The 19-year old apparently spent a lot of time in the hotel, frequenting the pool area.

The source said that on the 19-year-old’s phone, police found four pictures, none of which depicted children.

“They were pictures of a hotel show. We went through the suspect’s phone, we searched his house thoroughly and found absolutely nothing to suggest that he was a paedophile or a kidnapper, or that he was part of a gang.”

Police have repeatedly rejected claims of child abduction.

The government also entered the fray, rejecting the reports as “unnecessary and unsubstantiated.”

“The government wishes to emphatically stress that Cyprus was and remains one of the safest tourist destinations worldwide, both for locals and foreign visitors and their children,” deputy government spokesman Victoras Papadopoulos said on Friday.

Meanwhile, the Cyprus High Commission in London issued a statement stressing that the police investigation into the allegations produced nothing incriminating.

The statement notes that the concerns of parents regarding the safety of their children are fully appreciated and that the allegations were taken seriously by the authorities in Cyprus.

It added that police statements taken from the British parents who filed the complaint, as well as from the children themselves did not corroborate the allegations.

Therefore, the High Commission describes the various press reports in the UK alleging a planned abduction of children as “unsubstantiated.”

“The news stories in the UK media do not reflect the facts, thus unfairly tarnishing the good reputation of Cyprus”, continued the statement.

(Additional reporting by special correspondent in Protaras)

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline mercury

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #703 on: June 21, 2015, 12:27:01 AM »
Good one Faithlilly, I read about this story on another forum (NOT a McCann related one) and all the latest media links, but couldn't find it to post. Thanks.

 8((()*/

It's "head shaking" material.

Offline Benice

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #704 on: June 21, 2015, 11:34:30 AM »
Where is your evidence that he did? He "slagged off" the UK police to put it one way. See extract from his book.

If anyone broke the secrecy laws it was Jane Tanner but the PJ weren't so peurile as to go after her.

On Monday August 1st, I go back to work at DIC in Portimão, where two pieces of news are waiting for me: officials at Buckingham Palace have received an email informing them that a little girl – Madeleine – has disappeared from a hotel complex situated….in Lisbon! The second was brought to us by an English tourist – Kate – on holiday in Praia da Luz: she allegedly saw a stranger hanging about near the Baptista supermarket in the vicinity of the Ocean Club.

BAD RESPONSE TO A JOURNALIST
This is where we’re at: reduced to receiving that type of tip-off and chasing a phantom, that of the imaginary abductor. This Monday gets off to a bad start, with its load of irritation and preoccupations.

In the evening, while driving, I receive an unidentified phone call, the last straw…A journalist asks me if I want to comment on the subject of the email. Whether due to the difficult day, the raging storm or the fact of driving through rain…I lose my cool. I reply, irritably, without thinking, that the message is of no interest and that it would be better for the English police to occupy themselves with the Portuguese investigation. Even as I am hanging up, I realise that I have not only made a blunder, but I have been unfair towards the majority of the British police who have helped us throughout these difficult months. I drive on, certain that I have triggered a diplomatic incident with predictable consequences: as soon as these simple words are made public, I risk not being able to continue to direct the Portimão Department of Criminal Investigation.

By his own admission he was talking to a journalist about the case.  If that isn't breaking the secrecy laws - then maybe you can explain why it isn't.

Stephen claimed that Amaral left because of  'interference'  - but by his own admission he had made a blunder so big that it could trigger a diplomatic incident and get him removed from the case.   No mention at all of 'interference' being the reason.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal