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Offline Brietta

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #810 on: June 23, 2015, 04:00:27 PM »
Brietta

Just press the "quote" button on my earlier post and you will see how I have done it.

1.  Read the word in square brackets that I have typed before the Youtube title.

Type that in front of your youtube title


2.  Do the same with the word that I have typed after the Youtube title {same word but with a slash (/) in front of it.  Again in square brackets.

Type that after the youtube title



Try it with this youtube title.  Copy and paste it in first

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIH-AX2LlYA




That generally works, so long as there isn't a security block on.  Pathfinder told me about this.  Thanks again Pfinder.

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However with the youtube title that you used, a security block has been put on it
Can you see the difference between these two youtube titles below?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIH-AX2LlYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIH-AX2LlYA      <<< this has an extra "s" after http.   That is the security block that was on your title .... and must be removed


So if you see https, just remove the "s" and make it http, then it should work


Thanks for that, Sadie, I'll try that next time I want to post a video.

Thanks to you too PF ... just proof that you do sometimes have your uses.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #811 on: June 23, 2015, 04:11:44 PM »
Like you G, I had a someone that I loved dearly, a brother in fact who died very young. I was angry and blamed everyone including myself. I was so angry that I broke a mirror when I threw an ornament which  hit it, instead of the wall in my bedroom.
Publicly, I had to be strong for my mother and younger siblings. 
I cried in private and I walked around the village for hours at a time, trying to make sense of it all. I guess that is why I am as I am now.
I never saw my parents cry either.

Like you, Anna, I never cried either, neither publicly nor privately.

My shock was in finding out that my little boy had a brain tumour and was going to die.   I cried myself out, privately,  during the period of many months, that he went thru it .. and felt relief for him when he was finally out of his pain.

Such a huge loss tho.   I cannot describe the void within me.    After his death I never cried again for about 10 years, not even when my much loved Mum and Dad died.


Like you, I had to be strong for our daughter and our elderly parents .. and for my hubby .... even tho I was bleeding inside from the horror and loss.


Having been fairly religeous, my hubby could not believe that our lovely, previously lively, young son might die.  He had never done anything wrong and was too young.   He would not accept what the brain specialist told us, so was not prepared, as I tried to be.



Now I know that the loss of Madeleine was different, but at least they have the hope that Madeleine is still alive.  I am pretty sure that she is ... or was 3 years ago.


Everybody re-acts differently ... and you cant judge someone by what you see.
Try compassion.  Try empathy.  You would feel better for doing that, I think.


If Madeleine is found alive, you are going to feel such sh.........    I think you get my meaning.

Offline sadie

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #812 on: June 23, 2015, 04:28:02 PM »

Thanks for that, Sadie, I'll try that next time I want to post a video.

Thanks to you too PF ... just proof that you do sometimes have your uses.

I know that like me, you tend to be a technophobe.


Do try it now, and if you succeeed then practice it, so you dont forget it.




BTW, the square brackets before something are a computer command to do something.  The square brackets with a slash at the back end are the computer command to include what is inside the two lots of brackets.

A very nice ant! on my first forum, called "La Vie En Rose" told me that.

http://youtu.be/kFzViYkZAz4

For you La Vie En Rose as a little thank you

With thanks also to the amazing Edith Piaf

Offline Carana

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #813 on: June 23, 2015, 04:31:52 PM »
You can also simply highlight the YouTube link and click the YT button (3rd from the right). Or click the button, then c&p the link within the two bits of code.

Offline sadie

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #814 on: June 23, 2015, 05:30:25 PM »
You can also simply highlight the YouTube link and click the YT button (3rd from the right). Or click the button, then c&p the link within the two bits of code.

Yep, thanks Carana, that is a better way probably

but if it is a https link then the "s" from the Https must be removed first to leave just http. [minus the "s"]

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #815 on: June 23, 2015, 05:36:27 PM »
Pathfinder that video was before they were made arquida and still not considered suspects

The day they received arquido status…..


Keep on believing the myths Anna. That interview date is 10th August.

Kate hasn't been treated like a suspect in her own words but only 2 days prior she is accused of hiding her daughter's dead body. Gimme a break from McCanns fantasyland!

Maybe the interview on 8 August, when they’d clearly tried to get me to confess, had been their best shot at getting us to crack and, since that hadn’t worked, they would now change tack? (Madeleine)


WED 8 AUG

If we’d wondered about the change of venue for our regular informal meeting, the reason for it soon became clear: this wasn’t our regular informal meeting. We were taken to an upstairs room at the police station where we were greeted by Luís Neves and Guilhermino Encarnação. Our interpreter this time was a police officer, not Proconsul Angela Morado, as was usually the case. The whole demeanour of Neves and Encarnação was different. They looked serious and cold.
There had been a ‘shift’ in the investigation, they said. They had always been optimistic that Madeleine was alive, but now things had changed. Almost instantaneously I could feel my breathing pattern altering and that familiar constriction in my throat. Gerry asked if any evidence had come to light to suggest that Madeleine was dead but they wouldn’t reply. There was a lot of frowning going on which, combined with the language barrier, made it less obvious that they weren’t answering us. Gerry was then asked to leave the room. Now the sirens in my head were deafening. I was on my own and afraid. Please God, let my Madeleine be OK.
Tell us about that night, they said. Tell us everything that happened after the children went to bed. I gave them every detail I could remember, as I had before, but this time they responded by just staring at me and shaking their heads. I was reeling with confusion, disbelief and panic. What the hell was going on? Evidently not satisfied with my account, they pressed me. Was there anything else I wanted to add? Anything else unusual that had occurred that night?
Of course there wasn’t. If there had been I would have told them on 3 May. I’d recounted absolutely everything and anything – more than they wanted or needed to know, probably, just in case some triviality I recalled might be significant. How could they think I would hold something back that might help my daughter? Why were they asking me this? Why?
Neves stated bluntly that they didn’t believe my version of events. It ‘didn’t fit’ with what they knew. Didn’t fit? What did they know? I was sobbing now, well past the stage of silent tears and stifled sniffs. I began to wail hysterically, drawing breath in desperate gasps.
Why did I think Madeleine had been alive when she was taken from the apartment? they persisted. I explained between sobs that there had been nothing to suggest otherwise; no indication that she might have come to harm. Had I ever considered that she may be dead? Yes, of course. Early on that was all I thought, all the time: that some paedophile had grabbed her, abused her and later killed her. Then I’d begun to wonder if she was being held by pornographers, I told them, or had been taken for someone who wanted a child.
I was becoming more and more distressed and more and more scared. I wanted Gerry. Still they pushed me. They proposed that when I’d put Madeleine to bed that night, it wasn’t actually the last time I’d seen her. But it was. It was! I felt I was being bullied, and I suppose I was. I assume these tactics were deliberate: knock her off balance by telling her that her daughter is dead and get her to confess. Because I was in no doubt now that they were trying to make me say I’d killed Madeleine or knew what had happened to her. I might be naive but I’m not stupid.
On and on it went. They tried to convince me I’d had a blackout – a ‘loss of memory episode’, I think they called it. My denials, answers and pleas fell on deaf ears. This was their theory and they wanted to shoehorn me into it, end of story. At last they seemed to decide that the interview was over. They told me I could ring them any time, day or night, to give them the information they were waiting for.
I was allowed to spend a couple of minutes with Gerry, but I don’t think he was able to get much sense out of me. Then it was his turn to be interrogated. He managed to remain a little calmer than I had but he was still visibly upset and shaken afterwards. He gave the police his account of the events of 3 May and the reasons why he didn’t believe Madeleine had been killed in the apartment. Through his tears he pleaded with the two men: ‘Do you have evidence that Madeleine is dead? We’re her parents. You have to tell us.’
‘It’s coming,’ Neves told him. ‘It’s coming!’
Outside the room, I was praying – begging prayers. I was beginning to come unstuck. But if I thought the police had finished with me, I was mistaken. Before long I was ordered back into the room to join Gerry for round three.
Once again Gerry wanted to know if the case had now become a murder inquiry. The answer was indirect: ‘You can probably guess that from our lack of response.’ In a slightly threatening manner, Luís asked why I wasn’t looking him straight in the eye. There was no reason, other than that I was incapable of looking at anyone properly: my own eyes were so swollen and sore that I was struggling to keep them from closing completely. Finally, Gerry tried to establish when – and if – we would be having another meeting with them. ‘The next time we meet it will be across the table.’ The message behind this rather Delphic statement was clear: there would be no more informal meetings. (Madeleine)

THURSDAY AUGUST 9, 2007

By: CECÍLIA PIRES

GERRY AND Kate McCann are keeping in regular contact with the Polícia Judiciária to find out about any developments from the latest investigations, although some newspapers have been reporting this week that the couple were called in by the PJ for new inquiries.

Some Portuguese newspapers reported this morning (Thursday) that the couple was questioned again yesterday (Wed) afternoon “as police wanted to confirm what had happened between 6pm and 9pm of May 3”, the day Madeleine McCann disappeared from her room in a holiday apartment at Praia da Luz
« Last Edit: June 23, 2015, 06:26:38 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #816 on: June 23, 2015, 06:30:31 PM »
"on my own". Yes the proper procedure for a police interview is to not allow another witness to sit in.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #817 on: June 23, 2015, 06:41:32 PM »
How true. The McCanns were convinced they knew better than the Portuguese Police. They thought their Private Investigators were more able to solve the case than the Portuguese Police. They thought they should be given all the evidence collected by the UK and Portuguese Police so they could carry out their own investigation. They thought is was acceptable to re-interview witnesses and harass them. They thought they could demonstrate the unreliability of the dogs. They thought they could control the media.
I would say it was desperation rather than arrogance that led the McCanns to hire private detectives. I know you're not able to empathise with the McCanns but put yourself in the shoes of someone relying on the police to find a loved one you believe taken by a stranger only to discover to your horror that the police believe you are responsible for that loved one's disappearance and that furthermore you hid your loved one's body somewhere. Knowing this, and having the  funds to engage private detectives to follow leads the police are clearly not following do you do nothing and simply hope to persuade the police of your innocence somehow?  Or do you put those funds to use trying to find your loved one? 

When you say the McCanns thought they could harass people and control the media those are ill-founded accusations.  They did what they could to find their child - your arrogance is in assuming you know the McCanns behaved oddly when those trained to be around people in similar circumstances found their behaviour perfectly in keeping with the situation in which they found themselves.

Offline Anna

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #818 on: June 23, 2015, 07:09:03 PM »
Keep on believing the myths Anna. That interview date is 10th August.

Kate hasn't been treated like a suspect in her own words but only 2 days prior she is accused of hiding her daughter's dead body. Gimme a break from McCanns fantasyland!

Maybe the interview on 8 August, when they’d clearly tried to get me to confess, had been their best shot at getting us to crack and, since that hadn’t worked, they would now change tack? (Madeleine)


WED 8 AUG

If we’d wondered about the change of venue for our regular informal meeting, the reason for it soon became clear: this wasn’t our regular informal meeting. We were taken to an upstairs room at the police station where we were greeted by Luís Neves and Guilhermino Encarnação. Our interpreter this time was a police officer, not Proconsul Angela Morado, as was usually the case. The whole demeanour of Neves and Encarnação was different. They looked serious and cold.
There had been a ‘shift’ in the investigation, they said. They had always been optimistic that Madeleine was alive, but now things had changed. Almost instantaneously I could feel my breathing pattern altering and that familiar constriction in my throat. Gerry asked if any evidence had come to light to suggest that Madeleine was dead but they wouldn’t reply. There was a lot of frowning going on which, combined with the language barrier, made it less obvious that they weren’t answering us. Gerry was then asked to leave the room. Now the sirens in my head were deafening. I was on my own and afraid. Please God, let my Madeleine be OK.
Tell us about that night, they said. Tell us everything that happened after the children went to bed. I gave them every detail I could remember, as I had before, but this time they responded by just staring at me and shaking their heads. I was reeling with confusion, disbelief and panic. What the hell was going on? Evidently not satisfied with my account, they pressed me. Was there anything else I wanted to add? Anything else unusual that had occurred that night?
Of course there wasn’t. If there had been I would have told them on 3 May. I’d recounted absolutely everything and anything – more than they wanted or needed to know, probably, just in case some triviality I recalled might be significant. How could they think I would hold something back that might help my daughter? Why were they asking me this? Why?
Neves stated bluntly that they didn’t believe my version of events. It ‘didn’t fit’ with what they knew. Didn’t fit? What did they know? I was sobbing now, well past the stage of silent tears and stifled sniffs. I began to wail hysterically, drawing breath in desperate gasps.
Why did I think Madeleine had been alive when she was taken from the apartment? they persisted. I explained between sobs that there had been nothing to suggest otherwise; no indication that she might have come to harm. Had I ever considered that she may be dead? Yes, of course. Early on that was all I thought, all the time: that some paedophile had grabbed her, abused her and later killed her. Then I’d begun to wonder if she was being held by pornographers, I told them, or had been taken for someone who wanted a child.
I was becoming more and more distressed and more and more scared. I wanted Gerry. Still they pushed me. They proposed that when I’d put Madeleine to bed that night, it wasn’t actually the last time I’d seen her. But it was. It was! I felt I was being bullied, and I suppose I was. I assume these tactics were deliberate: knock her off balance by telling her that her daughter is dead and get her to confess. Because I was in no doubt now that they were trying to make me say I’d killed Madeleine or knew what had happened to her. I might be naive but I’m not stupid.
On and on it went. They tried to convince me I’d had a blackout – a ‘loss of memory episode’, I think they called it. My denials, answers and pleas fell on deaf ears. This was their theory and they wanted to shoehorn me into it, end of story. At last they seemed to decide that the interview was over. They told me I could ring them any time, day or night, to give them the information they were waiting for.
I was allowed to spend a couple of minutes with Gerry, but I don’t think he was able to get much sense out of me. Then it was his turn to be interrogated. He managed to remain a little calmer than I had but he was still visibly upset and shaken afterwards. He gave the police his account of the events of 3 May and the reasons why he didn’t believe Madeleine had been killed in the apartment. Through his tears he pleaded with the two men: ‘Do you have evidence that Madeleine is dead? We’re her parents. You have to tell us.’
‘It’s coming,’ Neves told him. ‘It’s coming!’
Outside the room, I was praying – begging prayers. I was beginning to come unstuck. But if I thought the police had finished with me, I was mistaken. Before long I was ordered back into the room to join Gerry for round three.
Once again Gerry wanted to know if the case had now become a murder inquiry. The answer was indirect: ‘You can probably guess that from our lack of response.’ In a slightly threatening manner, Luís asked why I wasn’t looking him straight in the eye. There was no reason, other than that I was incapable of looking at anyone properly: my own eyes were so swollen and sore that I was struggling to keep them from closing completely. Finally, Gerry tried to establish when – and if – we would be having another meeting with them. ‘The next time we meet it will be across the table.’ The message behind this rather Delphic statement was clear: there would be no more informal meetings. (Madeleine)

THURSDAY AUGUST 9, 2007

By: CECÍLIA PIRES

GERRY AND Kate McCann are keeping in regular contact with the Polícia Judiciária to find out about any developments from the latest investigations, although some newspapers have been reporting this week that the couple were called in by the PJ for new inquiries.

Some Portuguese newspapers reported this morning (Thursday) that the couple was questioned again yesterday (Wed) afternoon “as police wanted to confirm what had happened between 6pm and 9pm of May 3”, the day Madeleine McCann disappeared from her room in a holiday apartment at Praia da Luz


Yep. your interview video was 8th aug 2007 when they were not considered suspects
" Neither British nor Portuguese police have commented on the specific allegations in the press, though Portuguese Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa did announce on Aug. 11 that "the McCanns are not suspects in the case ... they are victims."

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id208.html
And here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6942198.stm



My video 8/9/07 after being made arquido
https://youtu.be/VGsbPZtUue4
Sky News clip of Gerry McCann on 8/9/07 leaving the police station in Portugal after being declared an arguido. The second half shows Kate McCann as she left the same police station after being declared an arguido earlier that day.


« Last Edit: June 23, 2015, 07:13:30 PM by Anna »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #819 on: June 23, 2015, 07:17:11 PM »
Like you, Anna, I never cried either, neither publicly nor privately.

My shock was in finding out that my little boy had a brain tumour and was going to die.   I cried myself out, privately,  during the period of many months, that he went thru it .. and felt relief for him when he was finally out of his pain.

Such a huge loss tho.   I cannot describe the void within me.    After his death I never cried again for about 10 years, not even when my much loved Mum and Dad died.


Like you, I had to be strong for our daughter and our elderly parents .. and for my hubby .... even tho I was bleeding inside from the horror and loss.


Having been fairly religeous, my hubby could not believe that our lovely, previously lively, young son might die.  He had never done anything wrong and was too young.   He would not accept what the brain specialist told us, so was not prepared, as I tried to be.



Now I know that the loss of Madeleine was different, but at least they have the hope that Madeleine is still alive.  I am pretty sure that she is ... or was 3 years ago.


Everybody re-acts differently ... and you cant judge someone by what you see.
Try compassion.  Try empathy.  You would feel better for doing that, I think.


If Madeleine is found alive, you are going to feel such sh.........    I think you get my meaning.

I can't begin to imagine the pain that must have caused you Sadie. And is probably still causing you. 8(8-))
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pegasus

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #820 on: June 23, 2015, 08:01:50 PM »
The book excerpt tells us that before 8th Aug the regular informal meetings between PJ and parents were at a UK govt property translated by a UK govt employee. The PJ were treating the parents with exceptional consideration before 8th Aug.

Offline mercury

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #821 on: June 23, 2015, 08:31:47 PM »

Yep. your interview video was 8th aug 2007 when they were not considered suspects
" Neither British nor Portuguese police have commented on the specific allegations in the press, though Portuguese Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa did announce on Aug. 11 that "the McCanns are not suspects in the case ... they are victims."

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id208.html
And here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6942198.stm



My video 8/9/07 after being made arquido
https://youtu.be/VGsbPZtUue4
Sky News clip of Gerry McCann on 8/9/07 leaving the police station in Portugal after being declared an arguido. The second half shows Kate McCann as she left the same police station after being declared an arguido earlier that day.

They WERE considered suspects at the time, at the end of the dog searches, just not officially made such until a few weeks later

Offline sadie

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #822 on: June 23, 2015, 08:56:39 PM »
I can't begin to imagine the pain that must have caused you Sadie. And is probably still causing you. 8(8-))

Thanks Anna.  You too, by the sound of things.

It is 40 years ago now and time does help.


I, and maybe you(?) can totally understand Kates anguish and her attempts to appear calm.  She had to keep it from the twins.  She had to be strong for Gerry and her parents. 

She was told that if she appeared upset, then the perp might "get off on it".  Sorry to be so crude, but I dont know a better way of putting it.

stephen25000

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Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #823 on: June 23, 2015, 08:59:05 PM »
Thanks Anna.  You too, by the sound of things.

It is 40 years ago now and time does help.


I, and maybe you(?) can totally understand Kates anguish and her attempts to appear calm.  She had to keep it from the twins.  She had to be strong for Gerry and her parents. 

She was told that if she appeared upset, then the perp might "get off on it".  Sorry to be so crude, but I dont know a better way of putting it.

No 'perp' has been established.

Pure speculation.

Evidence needed and not pointers.

Offline sadie

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #824 on: June 23, 2015, 09:21:35 PM »
No 'perp' has been established.

Pure speculation.

Evidence needed and not pointers.

Not speculation in my case, because I know more than you about what happened afterwards.   Far more  %£&)**# 8(*(