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Offline G-Unit

Carlymichelle raised this question in a recent post;

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stephen    do you think some of the mcann supporters  are older and   were taught the stiff upper lip as children?  i have always wondered because of my  generation ( born 1979 so  almost the  80s)  we  question everything  and  dont take everything as face value is it a generation gap? or is it the internet has helped our ability to think for ourselves ??

This interested me because I was born in 1944, so I'm well placed to have an opinion. I think my generation began the process of 'making up your own mind'. My outlook was poles apart from my mother's, born in 1903. I questioned everything she accepted, and rejected a lot of it. My generation had full employment, so didn't fear 'the boss's' power as my mother did. Her generation still feared the Workhouse, mine didn't. Her generation were very aware that they needed to be seen as respectable because of the spectre of 'deserving and undeserving' poor, echos of which still remain today. We had better education, not just the minimum like my mother had. She had no choices. At twelve years of age she went to school in the mornings and to the weaving shed in the afternoons. At 14 she was a full-time cotton weaver working from 7.30am to 5.30pm. I asked her once what it was like. Her answer consisted of one word 'slavery'. She automatically respected her 'betters'  I respected those I considered worthy of respect. My mother lived in fear and towards the end of her life she told me she had always envied me because I didn't.
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oh i hope i didnt offend you g unit i was  just wondering.....  it seems some older people  believe everything the mcanns say my parrents are in their  50s and  60s and they believe the mcanns...

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oh i hope i didnt offend you g unit i was  just wondering.....  it seems some older people  believe everything the mcanns say my parrents are in their  50s and  60s and they believe the mcanns...

Not at all carlymichelle. I found the idea extremely interesting so began to wonder if different opinions are related to people's circumstances. Age is one possibility. Perhaps because, as you suggested, a lot of older people are more likely to read print newspapers and watch TV news rather than exploring the different views available on the internet? Other things which might affect people's opinions are education, class, religion, life experiences....

For example, I noticed a lot of people posting on Kate McCanns fund raising site mentioned praying and God, so quite a lot of religious people seem to support the Mccanns.
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Not at all carlymichelle. I found the idea extremely interesting so began to wonder if different opinions are related to people's circumstances. Age is one possibility. Perhaps because, as you suggested, a lot of older people are more likely to read print newspapers and watch TV news rather than exploring the different views available on the internet? Other things which might affect people's opinions are education, class, religion, life experiences....

For example, I noticed a lot of people posting on Kate McCanns fund raising site mentioned praying and God, so quite a lot of religious people seem to support the Mccanns.

i also  think if they admit it or not that the internet has been a thorn in the  sides of  the mcanns and supporters  back in the early  days the mcanns got  forums  shut  down ie the daily mail forums etc?? and more  came up same with facebook once it became popular  the internet has a big impact on this case imo
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Offline jassi

Not at all carlymichelle. I found the idea extremely interesting so began to wonder if different opinions are related to people's circumstances. Age is one possibility. Perhaps because, as you suggested, a lot of older people are more likely to read print newspapers and watch TV news rather than exploring the different views available on the internet? Other things which might affect people's opinions are education, class, religion, life experiences....

For example, I noticed a lot of people posting on Kate McCanns fund raising site mentioned praying and God, so quite a lot of religious people seem to support the Mccanns.

Yes, I've noticed that. As if it would make any difference.
What has happened has happened, and no amount of hoping and praying is going to change that .
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline carlymichelle

Yes, I've noticed that. As if it would make any difference.
What has happened has happened, and no amount of hoping and praying is going to change that .

exactly........ thats what i meant by my   earlier  ??  do peoples life they have lead  make  people support the mcanns ie several mcann supporters   have said they did to the same to their kids on holidays that the mcanns  did does that bias their  opinion??

Offline G-Unit

exactly........ thats what i meant by my   earlier  ??  do peoples life they have lead  make  people support the mcanns ie several mcann supporters   have said they did to the same to their kids on holidays that the mcanns  did does that bias their  opinion??

I think attitudes have changed over the years. My generation was expected to be seen and not heard. My children weren't brought up like that but they weren't allowed to run about and cause a nuisance in public places like children today do. You haven't lived nowadays unless you've gone out for a nice pub lunch and found other people's children climbing up your leg while their parents smile indulgently at them from their nice quiet table lol.

My observations of some of today's parents suggest that leaving their children alone for 2 minutes is a risk because they are very undisciplined. My children knew that bed meant bed. Getting up wasn't allowed unless it was an emergency. Having watched 'Super Nanny' there are parents today who have no idea at all how to cope with their offspring.

I never left my children alone on holiday, it was their holiday too and they went with us at all times. As an army wife who was often alone I left them at home on occasion to visit a neighbour's house, and I popped back and checked on them. They were very well trained when it came to bedtime, so I knew it wasn't too risky but I wouldn't do it today. Oh - and I always locked them in.
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I think attitudes have changed over the years. My generation was expected to be seen and not heard. My children weren't brought up like that but they weren't allowed to run about and cause a nuisance in public places like children today do. You haven't lived nowadays unless you've gone out for a nice pub lunch and found other people's children climbing up your leg while their parents smile indulgently at them from their nice quiet table lol.

My observations of some of today's parents suggest that leaving their children alone for 2 minutes is a risk because they are very undisciplined. My children knew that bed meant bed. Getting up wasn't allowed unless it was an emergency. Having watched 'Super Nanny' there are parents today who have no idea at all how to cope with their offspring.

I never left my children alone on holiday, it was their holiday too and they went with us at all times. As an army wife who was often alone I left them at home on occasion to visit a neighbour's house, and I popped back and checked on them. They were very well trained when it came to bedtime, so I knew it wasn't too risky but I wouldn't do it today. Oh - and I always locked them in.

theres a huge diffrence between going next door and leaving  3  children in a  strange country ( to the  children)  and    being asked  by their most verbal child   where were they etc and they  ignored her   plus there was stairs in the mcanns apartment and  a swimming pool etc  stairs  etc  you  just dont take the risk like that  and   thats what bothers me about the mcanns they never admitted once that what they did was  morally  wrong and in most  modern  countrys  illegal

Offline Mr Gray

Not at all carlymichelle. I found the idea extremely interesting so began to wonder if different opinions are related to people's circumstances. Age is one possibility. Perhaps because, as you suggested, a lot of older people are more likely to read print newspapers and watch TV news rather than exploring the different views available on the internet? Other things which might affect people's opinions are education, class, religion, life experiences....

For example, I noticed a lot of people posting on Kate McCanns fund raising site mentioned praying and God, so quite a lot of religious people seem to support the Mccanns.

plenty of god references on amaral's go fund me site

Offline G-Unit

plenty of god references on amaral's go fund me site

Which suggests that being religious doesn't have an impact either way, so we can dismiss that.
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The main difference I see is that McCann supporters seem more intelligent
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I suppose that depends how you define intelligence. For you, it seems to consist of accusing those who doubt the Mccann's story of being unintelligent, which seems an arbitrary definition to say the least.

(arbitrary = based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system)


when two dozen prominent theorists were recently asked to define intelligence, they gave two dozen, somewhat different, definitions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence
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Offline Mr Gray

Which suggests that being religious doesn't have an impact either way, so we can dismiss that.

I don't think it does although there is a reason why there would be more religious type messages on the support forum

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The main difference I see is that McCann supporters seem more intelligent
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I suppose that depends how you define intelligence. For you, it seems to consist of accusing those who doubt the Mccann's story of being unintelligent, which seems an arbitrary definition to say the least.

(arbitrary = based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system)


when two dozen prominent theorists were recently asked to define intelligence, they gave two dozen, somewhat different, definitions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence

another incorrect assumption
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Offline Mr Gray

The main difference I see is that McCann supporters seem more intelligent
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I suppose that depends how you define intelligence. For you, it seems to consist of accusing those who doubt the Mccann's story of being unintelligent, which seems an arbitrary definition to say the least.

(arbitrary = based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system)


when two dozen prominent theorists were recently asked to define intelligence, they gave two dozen, somewhat different, definitions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence


The different definitions have a couple of common themes which are at the root of the definition of intelligence.....
acuire knowledge but most importantly be able to apply it...I would add...the ability to solve problems

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I happen to think class is a big factor - a resentment of working class made good, a perception that the McCanns would have been treated much worse (and therefore correctly in the views of some) by the authorities over the supposed neglect issue if they had been poor working class folk, also it seems to me a disproportionately large number of people commenting on negatively on this case, and on Kate in particular had issues to do with their own mother concerning poor treatment - rejection, abuse (emotional and physical) etc.
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