The child gate located at the top of the steps.

[mercury]

For example if police do ask and discover that one checker did push the blue lever down to lock it after their check and the next checker on arrival found the blue lever up, that would prove that some other person unlocked the gate in between checks.

that could have been the child

and if it wasnt there will never be any way of knowing if it was a checker or stranger.All these witnesses were proved to be not very reliable as go facts, not two days or ten days later or a year later, I think you might be clutching at straws pegasus

on this issue I found certain members "not bothered" at all in their Uk interviews, take that as you will

[pegasus]

that could have been the child

and if it wasnt there will never be any way of knowing if it was a checker or stranger.All these witnesses were proved to be not very reliable as go facts, not two days or ten days later or a year later, I think you might be clutching at straws pegasus

on this issue I found certain members "not bothered" at all in their Uk interviews, take that as you will

IMO if people were asked now they would remember the blue lever and whether they operated it.
I would have an identical gate in interview room to educate interviewer.
If it was always locked we can probably rule out wandering.

[mercury]

Deleted as irrelevant.

[G-Unit]

Using science to formulate the correct detailed questions is important. IMO each checker if asked today would remember whether or not they operated the blue lever on the stairgate.

I don't believe they would. As I said, they couldn't give sensible answers just the day after. If Gerald McCann thought he went in and out via the front door there's no chance of him knowing what he did with the stair gate.

[Mr Gray]

I don't believe they would. As I said, they couldn't give sensible answers just the day after. If Gerald McCann thought he went in and out via the front door there's no chance of him knowing what he did with the stair gate.

still getting your "facts" from the mistranslated files...no wonder your conclusions are wrong

[Benice]

I don't believe they would. As I said, they couldn't give sensible answers just the day after. If Gerald McCann thought he went in and out via the front door there's no chance of him knowing what he did with the stair gate.

The question of which door he said he used has been discussed here at length previously.

As remembering which door he used that night is something he was not likely to forget then common sense dictates that a misunderstanding between the interpreter, the police officer and Gerry took place during that very first interview - which was corrected at the next interview.     Confusion arose because some people called the patio door the front door and others called the carpark door the front door.

There is no credible reason IMO why Gerry would have decided to walk past the unlocked Patio door a few yards away from him to enter 5A - and take the much longer route round to the other door- especially if he needed the loo.

If a verbatim version of what was said at the first interview was available to us  - then I think it would be clear how and when the misunderstanding came about.

[Mr Gray]

The question of which door he said he used has been discussed here at length previously.

As remembering which door he used that night is something he was not likely to forget then common sense dictates that a misunderstanding between the interpreter, the police officer and Gerry took place during that very first interview - which was corrected at the next interview.     Confusion arose because some people called the patio door the front door and others called the carpark door the front door.

There is no credible reason IMO why Gerry would have decided to walk past the unlocked Patio door a few yards away from him to enter 5A - and take the much longer route round to the other door- especially if he needed the loo.

If a verbatim version of what was said at the first interview was available to us  - then I think it would be clear how and when the misunderstanding came about.

I seem to remember a post saying that kate did complain about some of the translations at the time but was basically told to shut up

[G-Unit]

still getting your "facts" from the mistranslated files...no wonder your conclusions are wrong

To suggest that the translator got the statement below wrong is 'ludicrous'. Why would Gerald McCann correct himself a week later if he never said initially that they used the locked front door?


In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked,

 At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building

 At about 22.00 it was his wife Kate who went to check on the children. She entered the apartment by the door using the key
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

[stephen25000]

I seem to remember a post saying that kate did complain about some of the translations at the time but was basically told to shut up

Can you provide the evidence for any of that ?

[G-Unit]

The question of which door he said he used has been discussed here at length previously.

As remembering which door he used that night is something he was not likely to forget then common sense dictates that a misunderstanding between the interpreter, the police officer and Gerry took place during that very first interview - which was corrected at the next interview.     Confusion arose because some people called the patio door the front door and others called the carpark door the front door.

There is no credible reason IMO why Gerry would have decided to walk past the unlocked Patio door a few yards away from him to enter 5A - and take the much longer route round to the other door- especially if he needed the loo.

If a verbatim version of what was said at the first interview was available to us  - then I think it would be clear how and when the misunderstanding came about.

If you look at what was said he describes opening the locked front door with the key. There was no lock and key on the patio door, so speculating about a mistake regarding 'front' and 'back' doors has no relevance .

[Mr Gray]

If you look at what was said he describes opening the locked front door with the key. There was no lock and key on the patio door, so speculating about a mistake regarding 'front' and 'back' doors has no relevance .

none of Gerry's statements are verbatim and have been translated twice..if that's what you rely on to draw your conclusions then it is no wonder your conclusions are wrong

[stephen25000]

none of Gerry's statements are verbatim and have been translated twice..if that's what you rely on to draw your conclusions then it is no wonder your conclusions are wrong

What evidence is there of incorrect translations ?

[G-Unit]

none of Gerry's statements are verbatim and have been translated twice..if that's what you rely on to draw your conclusions then it is no wonder your conclusions are wrong

Unlike some I prefer to argue using the evidence available. If you discount all the PJ Files what are you basing your arguments on? Oh yes; a child disappeared therefore she was abducted. Nice and simple but with nothing to sustain it.

[Mr Gray]

Unlike some I prefer to argue using the evidence available. If you discount all the PJ Files what are you basing your arguments on? Oh yes; a child disappeared therefore she was abducted. Nice and simple but with nothing to sustain it.

do you realise that most of the "evidence" you rely on would be accepted in court as evidence...that puts your conclusions into perspective

[Benice]

To suggest that the translator got the statement below wrong is 'ludicrous'. Why would Gerald McCann correct himself a week later if he never said initially that they used the locked front door?


In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked,

 At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building

 At about 22.00 it was his wife Kate who went to check on the children. She entered the apartment by the door using the key
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

IMO the first interview was rife for misunderstandings.   Gerry had had no sleep and was still in massive shock.    Any idea that he was cool calm and collected is absurd IMO.     There would be delays because of the necessity for translations -- and IIRC his replies were then typed out by the Police officer at the time.      AT that early point and in those circumstances then  IMO Gerry would find concentration very difficult and he would still be hoping and praying that news that Madeleine had been found would come at any minute.   


There is no credible reason that I can think of why anyone would lie about which doors they used.  What would they have to gain by doing that?   

On the other hand we know for definite that different people had different opinions on which door constituted the front door and which door they regarded as the back door.    It seem obvious to me that until they sorted that out then major confusion was inevitable during interviews.

IMO that was sorted out at Gerry's second interview.